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Re: Realistic drum programming/recording for songs



I don't do drums much, but when I do, I like using EZDrummer with my
SR16 or Yamaha DD50 to trigger.  I quantize a lot since I pretty much
just suck at drumming.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Steven Clements <sdclements@gmail.com> 
wrote:
> You can also bring in other drumming bits from folks like
> http://www.oddgrooves.com/
>
> He has some very affordable drum patterns you can build on or use 
> straight
> out of the gate.
>
> These are mapped to work with Superior Drummer and a few others.
>
> Monthly free patterns as well.
>
> Nothing sounds as real as real drumming, I also use the sounds in 
> Superior
> Drummer and trigger it from the drumKat - instant vibe
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Todd Elliott <toddbert@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Seconding this. I don't use realistic drum sounds at all, but all the 
>> folk
>> I know who *do* care about such things use Toontrack's stuff. Sounds 
>> great.
>>
>> T
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Steven Clements <sdclements@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I recommend Toontracks Superior Drummer.
>>>
>>> There's lots you can do for realistic sounding drums and you can even 
>>> use
>>> their midi drum beats as a start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You're right that it is "endlessly time consuming" to fake a live
>>>> drummer. Learning to do the programming right is only step one, then
>>>> you need to set the sound right and mix it dynamically. Oh man, what
>>>> time consuming activities! I'm wondering why so many people put so
>>>> much time into faking something when there are loads of other just as
>>>> cool drumming approaches? Just imagine a crappy 505 or 606 with edgy
>>>> sound attitude! About a thousand times as easy to make good than
>>>> faking a live drummer.
>>>>
>>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>>
>>>> Per Boysen
>>>> www.perboysen.com
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>> > Hi folks
>>>> >
>>>> > I'd like to lay down somewhat realistic acoustic drums for song
>>>> > writing purposes (pop ballads, funk, latin, world) in home recording
>>>> > environment.
>>>> > Currently, I program drums in Logic Pro. I also have an acoustic 
>>>> > drum
>>>> > set at work where I can play basic drum grooves that reasonably ok.
>>>> > However, I don't have a good sounding kit and have no experience
>>>> > whatsoever with drum micing.
>>>> >
>>>> > My current approach is basically similar to this:
>>>> > http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep10/articles/drum-prog.htm
>>>> > First, I lay down basic patterns in Logic Ultrabeat. Then, I tweak 
>>>> > the
>>>> > timing in piano roll. Last - and this is the most time consuming 
>>>> > part - I
>>>> > tweak velocities, create ghost notes, rolls in HyperEdit mode.
>>>> >
>>>> > How should I proceed next?
>>>> > My current thoughts:
>>>> >
>>>> > A.
>>>> > Get a real hi-hat machine + snare, set them up with mics. (e-drum
>>>> > cymbals never sound realistic enough for me, don't like snares on 
>>>> > e-drums
>>>> > either for funky stuff).
>>>> > For the rest, use e-drum kick pedals, pads etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > B.
>>>> > Go the software road (i.e. Superior Drummer) and dive deeper into 
>>>> > drum
>>>> > programming.
>>>> >
>>>> > With drum programming, I can get fairly realistic results. I'm very
>>>> > flexible, can start with basic patterns and can refine/change 
>>>> > things over
>>>> > time. However, the process is time consuming & seemingly endless...
>>>> >
>>>> > With real drum set, there is the beauty of playing immediately the
>>>> > right groove with a gut feeling. However, the home recording 
>>>> > environment
>>>> > (space, neighbours) and the mic set-up can be tricky.
>>>> >
>>>> > I know the best solution is to get a real drummer in a studio
>>>> > environment. But laying down stuff quickly (still realistically as 
>>>> > possible)
>>>> > is more important than having the perfect drum track.
>>>> >
>>>> > Would like to hear your experience & advice on this subject.
>>>> >
>>>> > best regards
>>>> > Buzap
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://toaster.bandcamp.com
>
>



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