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Re: Bidule+Mobius glitches

AU and VST are two different protocols. VST is older, once upon a time developed by Steinberg. There are a lot of VST builds around, some really cool plugins, but since Steinberg never cared about quality control there are also a lot of badly coded VSTs floating around. Apple developed the AU protocol in an ambition to keep up quality control form square one ("aspiration for world domination" some say) and this is why there also is this AU Validation software utility; if an AU plugin doesn't pass the AUVal test it means the specifications aren't properly met in the coding. 

But in this case of Mobius vs Bidule we also have the Host/Plugin sync aspect to mind and funnily Bidule seems to be one of the few host applications that support the original VST sync protocol, that even Steinberg abandoned. And Bidule also has its own synchronisation system that is very good (look for a "sync" object in Bidule and simply draw virtual cables to/from whatever you want to hook up. One can even translate the Bidule Sync to/from MIDI which often comes in handy). 

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Todd Elliott <toddbert@gmail.com> wrote:
What Per Said. A lot of the time, AU plugins are just VSTs with a wrapper around them (I don't know about Mobius specifically, but I know a couple of 'biggish' plugin companies that do this), and in some cases, they don't have the functionality of VSTs in certain hosts-- Bidule is usually fairly forgiving, but if I have the choice of what to run (VST vs AU), I use the VST every time. I made it through my loopfest set with Bidule hosting Mobius as a VST. 

Good luck,


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dave, 

Try the VST plugin version! To me the VST works better as a Bidule host compared to the AU. 

Your crashes can also have to do with the host/plugin sync; you didn't tell by your email if you run Mobius AU synced or as the sync master. Myself I always run Mobius as the sync master and one reason for that is to be able to mangle and abuse audio without causing conflicts (of course I'm causing huge trouble for other plugins that try to follow the sync clock Mobius drives, but they are just delays, tremolos or beat synced LFOs that doesn't crash but maybe jumps over a beat or so to catch up. 

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Dave Draper <dh.draper@virgin.net> wrote:

Anyone else out there using mobius as a plug-in (AU) to bidule? And crazy enough to do things like hit a speed shift controller whilst mobius is multiplying? That causes a freeze on my setup - the dreaded SBBOD (macbook pro/ bidule .9732/ mobius2.5)!

Now the obvious answer is not to hit silly combinations of buttons, but that's just one of the (random) ways I work! Now it doesn't seem to be entirely down to the combination (which includes softstep & my own home-brewed controller group), since mobius as standalone will simply reset the loop upon the same combination of commands from GUI buttons. As plug-in, a force-quit generates a monster report which certainly involves a lot of 'semaphore - wait' calls, so I'm wondering whether it's worth trying to pursue this as a bug, or to find a way of preventing myself from indulging in such practices (I know - I'll go deaf....  :)

In an ideal world of course, one should be able to abuse the software all one likes, & although it might not respond the way you expect/want, it wouldn't crash.That's asking a lot I know, but I just wondered.......

Dave Draper

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