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At 07:36 PM 10/28/97 UT, Pete Gilbert wrote: >one of the "charms" of the looping technique is to figure out how to make >that clunker sound like it was meant to be there. I have found two ways >(other than stopping and beginning again, of course): > >1. cover it up. play something else very loud to drown out the mistake. >maybe stack a chord with that interesting, extra note :-) > >2. add some things around the mistake that make it sound intentional. >this can be tougher to do, but can lead the loop in interesting >directions. > >does anyone else have any suggestions? Another idea is to take number 2 to an extreme, and accentuate the mistake so that it becomes a dominant feature of the loop, and add new elements that relate to what had once been a mistake and is now the central theme. Along the same lines, reduce the feedback of the loop some, and take this mistake as a new direction in the loop. As the old stuff is dying away, add new elements related to the "mistake." The loop will transition to a new phase, where everything relates to the clunker element. Bring the feedback up again when the old stuff is suitably gone and the new form has suitably developed. Sometimes this means that the original mistake has died away too, leaving you just with your response to the mistake! This sort of feedback action works best when you have a way to change the size of the loop to make it shorter. On the plex, for example, you do a Multiply-Record to redefine the loop length to something shorter. That way the feedback does something in a reasonable length of time and it doesn't take an hour to transition to the new phase. Once you get to the new phase you multiply it out again. My favorite sorts of mistakes are the rhythmic ones. The repetitive nature of looping forces everything to be rhythmic in some way, so even things that are internally un-rhythmic become so by being repeated. I love this effect, and it happens best when I totally botch something that I had meant to play in time. I will usually then play off this rhythmic tension, to accentuate the new odd rhythms I've unintentionally produced. Eventually, the new rhythm begins to dominate, and I'll do the feedback tricks to take out the old stuff and resolve the rhythmic tension. anyway, back to work.... kim >Pete Gilbert (PeteGilbert@msn.com) > >---------- >From: Kim Flint >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 13:19 >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be >especially >painful. > >I always use the mistakes to develop the loop in a different way. Even >more >of a growth inspiring challenge than listening to how badly my playing has >gotten lately, which I'm already keenly aware of. > >Or I just press Undo..... > >kim > >At 10:55 AM -0800 10/28/97, Julia & Dave wrote: >>IMHO, After you've heard a mistake looping ad infinitum, maybe it's time >>to ask yourself if it should still be considered a mistake. >> >>DK >> >>---------- >>> From: David Kirkdorffer <DKirkdorffer@exapps.com> >>> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >>> Subject: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially >>painful. >>> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 6:36 AM >>> >>> >8. Do you find looping to be a valuable pursuit in regards to >>> > developing composition skills and playing technique? >>> > >>> It can be very helpful as a compositional sketchpad. Regarding >"playing >>> technique" ...looping may force you to play more carefully, since >>> hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. >>> >>> >>> >>> I got a hoot out of reading this! There's nothing like that moment of >>> exquisite pain when one realizes he or she has just pasted the "wrong" >>> note to, what had up to that point been, a beautiful loop. >>> >>> David > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com