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Hey all, <<I'm wondering if some of you could explain a bit about how real-time looping fits into your compositions or your approach to composing? Also, how common has this become among modern composers, and what sorts of things are others doing with looping? Any ideas about where these ideas are heading and what sorts of things we might hear in loop compositions of the future?>> I've definitely got more ideas in my head than on tape (or paper) about this topic, but I'm going to share anyway. The most obvious thing to do, and I think the most tedious, is to make the looper play ostinati for you while you show off ("Buy the incredible JamMan! It plays rhythm while you SOLO FOR DAYS!!"). This happens in every genre, of course, but really, I think most everyone on this list is beyond that :-) I think playing something like "Piano Phase" by Reich with a looper is a good example of this kind of application. I was a little fascinated by Jon Grant's post about playing fugue with a looper. Jon, I get the looper/pitch shifter connection, but how do you play through the episodes and so forth? Then, of course, you can use it to slowly build static structures, out of noises, pitches, what have you. This is the basic ambient/soundscape application, with maybe something written on paper thrown in. This kind of thing is when the "undo" and "replace" functions come in handy, 'cause just when it gets boring, you can change things around a bit. I haven't heard enough of Paul Dresher's solo guitar stuff to say with any certainty that this is what he does, but he's on the list. Maybe he has something to say on the subject? Steve Mackey is another guy who does "classical" electric guitar with loopers, etc. What I'm interested in (for now) is the use of the looper as an interactive electronic device. One idea is, when playing from a score, to punch parts of the piece into the looper. Over time, you get different parts of the piece burbling around, reinforcing (or conflicting with) the rest of the piece. This is sort of the "live electronic tape" approach. You could have the performer trigger the punch ins, or have someone else control it, which makes things even more interesting. You can also use various effects on the looped portion, for sonic variety/chaos. You don't have to limit this to guitar music, of course. Any instrument can work, as can ensembles. Really, the only problem I see with these instruments for "serious" composition is the fact that they are repetition incarnate. For repetitive music applications, they're great, but for variety and developement, it's problematic. Even Minimalism does not live on literal repetition alone. As for who is doing this kind of thing, there's Paul Dresher (of course) and Steve Mackey (who I mentioned above), both of whom are guitarists, and I'm not sure who else. Brian Ferneyhough may be doing this kind of work, but would definitely fall into the third (tape-on-the-fly) catagory. Paolo Vallado is down at UCSD, isn't he? Can you speak to the Ferneyhough issue? Overall, I wouldn't say it was common, and considering the general conservative trends in contemporary music it probably won't be to common, at least in the near future. Of course, there will be people who are happy to try this stuff, as it does offer some intriguing possibilities. There are plenty of composers still doing electronic music. Anyway, there's my .02. By the way, can anyone UNSUDBSKRIBB me? :-) Drew Wheeler