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i tend to use long loops on the jamman...10 seconds or longer usually though it isn't like i have a stopwatch. with the zoom 508 i am limited to 4 seconds so i tend to use a lot of feedback and roll off the treble so the repeats sound kind of garbled and lo-fi. the lexicon mpx 100 also has a 5 and a half second delay patch that i have been using a lot and also an endless patch that you can use as a looper. i think that is also around 5 seconds. between these 3 critters i can get some pretty whacky stuff going. thank god for the mackie mixer!! =-) PJ