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I think I know what it is about the drums that I don't like. They sound like they're trying to be too real. I think that this is where a lot of loopers go wrong with drum machines. I can just tell a drum machine when I hear it. When it's saying, "look at me, I'm synthetic! See how I juxtapose with the human elements?" it's good. When it says, "hey, look at me, I'm a real drummer." I just say, "Bogus." Be what you are. That's what I say. I've used drum machines with a live drummer, and it was GREAT. Such a nice combo of tech and flesh. Good. I'm thinking of having someone man a KAOSS pad that's processing the drum machine, to add real human feel. Real humans, nothing like 'em. Mark. Mike Biffle wrote: > >>> "future perfect" <artmusic@gte.net> 03/03 3:46 PM >>> > I haven't heard the track yet, so I can't comment on that directly. > But Reverend Bob does bring up an interesting point. It seems to be > mixed among musicians- some feel a drum machine really adds to a live > performance, others think it is distracting and superfluous. > Personally, I don't particularly like them used live- I am more likely > to bring a hand percussionist along on those types of gigs, or play > solo and force some creative rearranging. Any other opinions? How > about from an audience member's point of view? > > This backing tracks thing is a repeating theme... > > For Dennis' genre of music, anthemic melodic rock (hope that sits ok > with you Dennis! 8-)) I'd say the drum tracks are pretty common and > create the requisiste ensemble/team sort of vibe... As in a group with > a common purpose... The problem with doing this alone with a machine > is that the visual doesn't support that vibe and creates confusion. > > As an audience member I feel a bit cheated if I don't see the > performer input the drums into the machine live as well... It's even > better if at least a part of that machine's output is routed to a > filterbank/dsp/vortex/looper for live tweaking, so the performer can > interact with it. I pretty much want the performer to create all the > elements live (even if it is just building up a machine track or > loop...) > > That said... I feel (drum sync problems aside) that Dennis' tracks > show a good feel for this style of music. The looping is pretty > seamless and integrated. I usually prefer a solo performer to either > be experimenting more, or to be more intimate, ala folk music. > > -miko -- Mark Sottilaro Professional Publications, Inc. 1250 Fifth Ave, Belmont CA 94002 Multimedia Production E-mail: msottilaro@ppi2pass.com