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Dennis, Are you still using just the base Kyma system to come up with all of your looping patches? Also, what would be the closest Eventide equivilent to a base Kyma system? Is it as powerful as the Orville? If not, how many expansion cards does it take to get there? I've been reading the archives so I think I'm up to speed on the relative advantages/disadvantages of Kyma vs Eventide. I guess what I'm missing is the comparative "bang for the buck" factor. I realize that comparing the two can be difficult. Just pretend that I'm holding a loaded gun to the head of a struggling capybara! Italo is welcome to chime in if he can overcome his shyness. :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/