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i'm gonna chime in here right on the middle of the fence (and take a break from my newly appointed job as list moderator....right....with you crazy folks?). IMO, i don't really see a way out of this ethical fistfight without some really 'new' thought process being brought into the mix. the fusing of new paradigms ('digital duplication', 'generic', 'global economy', etc...) is a such a powerful combination these days. however admirable the opinions are on each side of the fence, IMO, they don't provide a satisfactory answer. should i feel guilty for my new Behringer mixer? for which part? for how they stole the design from Mackie? or for the Chinese labor? Would i have been better to buy the Mackie, for ethical reasons? whew...i don't know how many people do research on ethical electronics production. when i turn to my Black Panel #2 setting on my POD (based off a Black Face Fender Twin Reverb), should i feel some tug in my heart regarding Leo Fender? Pre-CBS, or post? But is Line6 more ethical than Behringer...who just 'stole' the POD idea? I like both Richard Zvonar's thoughts, as well as Italo's. 2cents, the list moderator formerly known as rich >>words of wisdom, Martin!!! They still talk about "ethics" with >>mixers...ridiculous! > >You don't believe in professional ethics? > >If Company A spends a lot of money to design a piece of equipment >and then Company B simply copies the design and sells it at a lower >price, this is OK with you? > >Curious. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD