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The funniest thing about this thread (besides Mr. Sottilaro) is that it triggered the following serious thought: do loopers know how to quit? This has been a frustration for me lately. There are the obvious two choices: repeat and fade, and abrupt stop (usually during a rest). Also, there's the obvious variation of de-evolution -- I.E., if you've built up a loop with layers, deconstruct it back down by removing layers, but when you're down to the last loop, be it the one you started with, or a different one, you still have to make one of the two above choices. I've been thinking of trying to "morph" from a loop to live playing, but have not been successful in an accurate resemblance of the loop, so I usually go for a completely different sound, but maybe playing the same riff. Any other ideas? Favourite license plate (un-loop-related): PLAN A (and then written on the bumper: "HEAD") -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk