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<smile> What about "up here?" lol! no ego here... lollollol! Douglas, nice to see your posts here. I always love reading them. Thank you... Anyway, you said in reply to Nemoguitt, But I doubt if you would choose to "practice" when you are ostensibly performing for an audience: "hmmm. Maybe I should see if I can introduce exactly one new note every minute for my entire set. Maybe I should rewire my looper thingie so it comes before my atomic effects atomizer thingie, then route it back into the looper thingie with just a touch of feedback. Maybe I should play this new microtonal bass, even though I've never even held it before." Nomsane? I've actually done exactly this on several occasions. -played instruments I'd never played before in a live performance setting. additionally, I've been asked literally, two minutes before a show to play material I'd not rehearsed, and was not familiar with, with people I'd never met, upon simply one of them hearing what I've done improvisationally. Also, regarding the idea of rewiring one's gear or some such idea on stage, -don't we do something very similar to this in the face of limitation or unexpected circumstance such as technical difficulties, or strings breaking and such, which might not be the easiest to deal with at a moment's notice. We adapt. We are creative in front of an audience, and practicing new ways of performing as we perform. So in my examples above, am I practicing or playing, or both? The whole idea of improv itself as it relates to these concepts is also very interesting. Is it practice or play? <smile> -Is it live or is it Memorex?... lol! Thanks again for such an interesting post. Have a wonderful day!, K? Smiles, CQ At 11:43 AM 11/14/02 -0500, you wrote: >Per wrote: > >> You might also try: >> >> "Practice / practice even harder / forget it all / get up there and >> play" ;-) > >Well said! I like "up there" as an all-encompassing phrase. Although it >immediately brings forth the image of a stage, it could be a state of >being: >I am no longer down here, I am up there. > >Nemoguitt wrote: >>i yearn to play with other musicians but it never happens..... > >What I find fascinating about the transition from practice to rehersal is >that, in rehersal, I am outside myself. I become my own critical >listener. I >am playing what I've practiced, but with an objective ear examining >whether >I am getting "up there." I practice for myself, but I rehearse for my >other >self as I would for another musician. I am still not playing "for the >world," as a performance would be. > >>99.9% i play by myself with my boxes, sometimes to an >audience.....playing >(looping) whatever it is that i do is turning more and more into a crap >shoot, i roll dem bones and step on record and i'm off.....so i dont know >if >there is a difference between: practice, rehearse, perform.....to me its >all >kismet/zietgiest..... > >But I doubt if you would choose to "practice" when you are ostensibly >performing for an audience: "hmmm. Maybe I should see if I can introduce >exactly one new note every minute for my entire set. Maybe I should rewire >my looper thingie so it comes before my atomic effects atomizer thingie, >then route it back into the looper thingie with just a touch of feedback. >Maybe I should play this new microtonal bass, even though I've never even >held it before." Nomsane? > >And David wrote: >>There are three other modes used to bring music into this world: we also, >beg, borrow and steal! >And, do I detect some borrowing here... :-) > >Yes, when I was playing with The Wes Houston Band, circa 1979-80, one >musician was relentlessly practicing his part as the others sat about. It >was supposed to be a rehersal. Wes announced with excellent authority: >"Hey! >Practice at home! This is a rehersal! We've got a gig tonight!" I've used >it >ever since to sort out what was/is attempting to be accomplished. > >>You are of course correct in what you say, however. > >Thank you! > >And Greg House wrote: > >>While it's nice if your playing is effortless, but along the lines of the >other >thread I was just writing on, it can make for a more interesting >performance >if >your looping appears LESS effortless. > >And, wiseass that I am, I have an aphorism about appearance. "Music is the >performance of sound; theater is the performance of appearance." Many >musicians add theater to their performances. Some even do so >intentionally! > ciao for now >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >coyotelk@optonline.net > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe