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I'm *ASSUMING* they are not the same encoders used in the high end units There was that product line (Vortex/Reflex/Alex - Jamman to some extent) that was aimed at a lower price-point. I think they were cutting costs (pretty much no midi, etc). Encoders, I suspect is where they cut costs (mechanicals can be costly) there is probably a higher-quality counterpart - these are 6 pin encoders. I don't remember the encoders having the be soldered to both sides of the board, but it has been a couple of years. From: "Fabian Petersen" <fabpet@web.de> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: VORTEX knobs and pots Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 12:21:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc6-f38.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.252.174]) by mc6-s2.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sun, 19 Jan 2003 10:23:25 -0800 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc6-f38.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sun, 19 Jan 2003 10:23:09 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21445;Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:22:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:22:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <fabpet@web.de> Message-ID: <001701c2bfe7$a2fd8730$a827c8cd@FABIAN> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <196.143edb3a.2b5becad@aol.com> Sender: fabpet@web.de Resent-Message-ID: <rPj46.A.APF.wzuK-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/28858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2003 18:23:09.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1CD04A0:01C2BFE7] I contacted Lexicon about the rotary encoders. I know they use this kind of encoders in mostly all of their devices, and the ones on the e.g. PCM91 or 81 "feel" much better, allthough they might be of a different type. But it would be interesting whether the originals can be replaced by higher quality ones. But maybe the Vortex circuit board's layout isn't compatible. But if you do excessive programming/ editing, you use this rotarys a lot, and I see a reason why they are worn out, if they're not high quality. Maybe the Lexicon Support has an answer. Or one of you list members... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus