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I think it's kind of continuum. Even with things like hand drums, your interface is in learned technique. Probably the closest to "seamless" is vox, but even that requires training for good results. Discreet parametric control isn't resitricted to electronic instruments, "real" instruments like pipe organ require a bunch of "shit management" and not all electronic instuments are about patches and menus (theremin for instance). I don't really consider "seams" a bad thing really. A lot of it has to do with compromises during the transalation from thought to deed if the interfce were seemless, we wouldn't need practice and we might miss out on the discoery that occurs when we interface with something...drum techniques, polyphony, voicing limitations or characters provided by various instruments... From: Douglas Baldwin <coyotelk@optonline.net> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Jon Wagner <jondrums@hotmail.com>, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Real instruments vs. electronic instruments Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:38:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc7-f38.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.45]) by mc7-s19.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:48:12 -0800 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc7-f38.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:48:11 -0800 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05810;Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:47:57 -0500 X-Message-Info: dHZMQeBBv44lPE7o4B5bAg== Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:47:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: <coyotelk@optonline.net> Message-id: <007c01c2c4e5$b81c1c00$1912be18@oemcomputer> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <OE60UXPzRqxh1YqFd6G00009d37@hotmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <ezkmRB.A.taB.dx0M-@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/29223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2003 02:48:11.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DA22EE0:01C2C4E5] >when I play an acoustic instrument, I get a very > distinct feeling - the user interface is 100% seamless on a doumbek (for a > patch change, I pick up my shaker). I agree 100%. Even with electric guitar, at least the sound source is a vibrating string beneath the fingers. The user interface remains seamless - for instant patch changes, just pick/fret differently. In response to an aggravating question about extensive on-board electronics on a guitar, Rick Turner held up both hands and said, "You have ten tone controls right here. Use them!" Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus