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I recently broke down and ordered a special patch cable that I was in need of from MF. It would've fit easily in a 9x12 padded envelope and (I'd wager) it would've been nearly impossible to damage shipped that way. Instead, they shipped it in a box the size of a very large microwave oven (no joke) with 4 or 5 cubic feet of foam "peanuts." I had a hard time actually finding my purchase amongst all the padding. Maybe I should've looked through the packaging a little more thoroughly though. Coulda been a couple of FCB1010s hiding in there maybe. Heheh. Their incompetence general cluelessness is legendary. Too bad they don't try a little harder to live up to their name. They're certainly no friends of mine. tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html