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Re: future loopers(nic)



>> The ability to have multiple (indexed) subloops as elements of the =
>>  'loop' (loop concept used here as decoupled from a fixed-time paradigm, =
>>  but used more as a logical entity). The subloops would have an arbitrary =
>>  repetition time.

>so you're thinking multitrack here?
Yes, though multitrack is too confined a concept probably, since parallel 'tracks' seems to suggest they have the same length. 'multi loop element' is closer to what I was thinking (but there may be a better term for it).
 
>>  dictated by the Repeater). Other looping devices currently may have this =
>>  differently, don't know about the EDP e.g.

> You want the ability to play loops of different lengths simultaneously then?
Yes. Essentially each loop element loops on its own length, but is linked to its peer loop elements within a composite loop (or group of loops, or 'gloop'). Having them linked would enable things you can't do with just multiple disparate loopers, such as the beat ratio sync thing.
 
The other unexplained thought, pitch shift while recording, would go something like this: I record an audio stream into the loop (guitar is my point of departure) but I'm also feeding the MIDI notes underlying that audio stream (in my case from my guitar synth). The looper 'applies' this MIDI sequence of notes as the basis for pitch shifting (while recording). You've now fed the looper 'knowledge' about what's supposed to be in the audio stream as far as pitch is concerned. First order, you could tell the looper to flatten the pitch back out. Or, have it play the inverse melody (inversion as in counterpoint / fugal variations etc). Or, apply modulations such that one could manipulate loops as malleable compositional elements (force it through chord progressions). Hugely unpractical, therefore highly likely to be fun...
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: future loopers(nic)

> The ability to have multiple (indexed) subloops as elements of the =
>  'loop' (loop concept used here as decoupled from a fixed-time paradigm, =
>  but used more as a logical entity). The subloops would have an arbitrary =
>  repetition time.

so you're thinking multitrack here?
 
>  This eliminates the restriction of one repetition period per loop (as =
>  dictated by the Repeater). Other looping devices currently may have this =
>  differently, don't know about the EDP e.g.

You want the ability to play loops of different lengths simultaneously then?


>  Furthermore, if combined with the possibility to assign measure =
>  (bar/beat numbering) and a beat quantize capability, this would enable =
>  the buildup, superimposition and individual manipulation of loops that =
>  are a defined ratio of time to one another - I.e., true polyrhythm. =
>  E.g., my first loop element is a 12/8 but my next loop element (within =
>  that loop location) is a 5/8. (BTW herein lies also the added value over =
>  having separate loopers doing the multiple-loop thing, other than cost).

>  I have more, equally ill-thought-out ideas... How about (MIDI) pitch =
>  shift *during* record?

>  Nic

Any suggestions you have would be interesting.
No need to work out ideas, just imagine the sounds
you'd like to make without bothering about whether
it's practical

andy butler