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>Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts: > >1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are mono. This is such a grandiose oversimplification, I don't know where to start... ;-) Rather than actually try, I'll offer this: a grand piano is an eminent example of a stereophonic instrument. What makes any instument, natural or otherwise, 'monophonic' is the result of recording and rendering it using a single channel. It's the capture and reproduction, not the instrument, that bears the characteristic of being mono. And, being 80% guitarist myself;-) - I'd add that a classical guitar, like many other natural instruments, is a spatial sound source, not a single-point sound field. As ever, not helping, Nic >From: "David" <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >Subject: Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion... >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:13:48 -0400 > >OK - this gets my dander up! :-) So.... > >Adopting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona: > >Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts: > >1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are mono. >2) I'm guessing 80% of Looper-Delight readers are electric guitarists. >(Kim? >Anyone?) >3) Electric guitars, bases, violins, tubas, bazookis, kazoos, and voice >are >all mono. >4) If you're creating a stereo field with your instrument, you're likely >going through a few pieces of gear to artificially create that field -- >OR -- you're playing some kind of (somewhat) more upscale or esoteric >electronic instrument -- a groovebox or keyboard/synthesizer for example. >5) If it's been important to you to buy the tools to create the stereo >field -- you've decided it's worth spending the money to get to stereo -- >cool. And you have a stereo amp, and two monitors. >6) If you can afford stereo-enabling devices -- you probably have more >than >one of them. >7) If you can afford to invest in stereo devices, can afford two monitors >and have a stereo amp, you are probably a lot closer to affording a second >EDP than you're letting on. > >F A C T - 1: Here are stats from that big EDP "restart" order I >helped >organize with Gibson at the end of 1999. > > 89% wanted 1 EDP > 9% wanted 2 EDP's > 2% wanted 3 EDP's > >F A C T - 2: From a Looping Device Market Penetration and Demand >study >I did in in 1997, 46% of EDP owners at the time indicated they would buy >another EDP if priced at $700 +/- 10%. (If you want a copy of this >report, >let me know). > >It seems if you need a stereo edp, here are your basic options: > > 1) Present an economic case to Gibson for them to build it > 2) Design one yourself and build it -- if you think there's >sustaining >market demand for it, set up shop and make more. > 3) Buy a second unit: $649.99 from Alto Music. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2553271953&category=621 > 4) Buy a used unit when they come for sale -- and they do! > >I chose option 3. For me, it was clearly the cheapest, most effective and >quickest way to get what I needed. > >Exiting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona. > >:-) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Hamburg" <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com> >To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:37 AM >Subject: Re: Stereo EDP > > > > on 8/25/03 8:22 PM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > And frankly, I don't care for someone telling me what I need when I'm >the one > > > sitting with my rig going "crap, I need a mixer now." I have to buy >MORE >GEAR > > > for > > > the sole reason of WORKING AROUND basic product deficiencies like >signal >level > > > incompatibilities or the fact that there's one box in the mix that's >not > > > stereo. > > > > That was my basic point. > > > > The EDP not doing stereo looping is potentially disappointing. If >you've >got > > stereo signals and you want to loop them and walk away, a stereo >looper >is > > pretty important. If you've got sounds that you have carefully placed >in >the > > stereo field, a stereo looper is pretty important. But if stereo were >really > > critical all the time, you'd think that more mix boards would have >stereo > > effects sends instead of mono sends. > > > > Not being stereo friendly, however -- i.e., not having stereo throughs >-- > > means that the EDP rapidly forces a need for a mixer as well and that >costs > > both money and rack space. (Or it forces a need for a second EDP that >will > > allow you to work in stereo for most but not quite all features.) > > > > Being mono isn't necessarily a huge barrier to entry. Not being able to >play > > nicely with stereo equipment without help is a barrier to entry in all >but > > the simplest setups and in those setups its a pain that you've got to >find >a > > place to balance a rack mount item and hook up a separate foot pedal. > > > > Mark > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus