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Re: Stereo EDP -- some statistics and an opinion...

>Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts:
>1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are mono.

This is such a grandiose oversimplification, I don't know where to 
;-) Rather than actually try, I'll offer this: a grand piano is an eminent 
example of a stereophonic instrument.

What makes any instument, natural or otherwise, 'monophonic' is the result 
of recording and rendering it using a single channel. It's the capture and 
reproduction, not the instrument, that bears the characteristic of being 

And, being 80% guitarist myself;-) - I'd add that a classical guitar, like 
many other natural instruments, is a spatial sound source, not a 
single-point sound field.

As ever, not helping,

>From: "David" <vze2ncsr@verizon.net>
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Subject: Re: Stereo EDP  -- some statistics and an opinion...
>Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:13:48 -0400
>OK - this gets my dander up!  :-)  So....
>Adopting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona:
>Stereo shmereo - what a paper tiger!! - a few thoughts:
>1) all natural (as opposed to electrically enhanced) instruments are mono.
>2) I'm guessing 80% of Looper-Delight readers are electric guitarists. 
>3) Electric guitars, bases, violins, tubas, bazookis, kazoos,  and voice 
>all mono.
>4) If you're creating a stereo field with your instrument, you're likely
>going through a few pieces of gear to artificially create that field --
>OR -- you're playing some kind of (somewhat) more upscale or esoteric
>electronic instrument -- a groovebox or keyboard/synthesizer for example.
>5) If it's been important to you to buy the tools to create the stereo
>field -- you've decided it's worth spending the money to get to stereo --
>cool.  And you have a stereo amp, and two monitors.
>6) If you can afford stereo-enabling devices -- you probably have more 
>one of them.
>7) If you can afford to invest in stereo devices, can afford two monitors
>and have a stereo amp, you are probably a lot closer to affording a second
>EDP than you're letting on.
>F  A  C  T  - 1:  Here are stats from that big EDP "restart" order I 
>organize with Gibson at the end of 1999.
>     89% wanted 1 EDP
>      9% wanted 2 EDP's
>      2% wanted 3 EDP's
>F  A  C  T  - 2:  From a Looping Device Market Penetration and Demand 
>I did in in 1997, 46% of EDP owners at the time indicated they would buy
>another EDP if priced at $700 +/- 10%.  (If you want a copy of this 
>let me know).
>It seems if you need a stereo edp, here are your basic options:
>     1) Present an economic case to Gibson for them to build it
>     2) Design one yourself and build it -- if you think there's 
>market demand for it, set up shop and make more.
>     3) Buy a second unit: $649.99 from Alto Music.
>     4) Buy a used unit when they come for sale -- and they do!
>I chose option 3.  For me, it was clearly the cheapest, most effective and
>quickest way to get what I needed.
>Exiting Curmudgeonly Kirkdorffer Persona.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark Hamburg" <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com>
>To: "Looper's Delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:37 AM
>Subject: Re: Stereo EDP
> > on 8/25/03 8:22 PM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > > And frankly, I don't care for someone telling me what I need when I'm
>the one
> > > sitting with my rig going "crap, I need a mixer now." I have to buy 
> > > for
> > > the sole reason of WORKING AROUND basic product deficiencies like 
> > > incompatibilities or the fact that there's one box in the mix that's 
> > > stereo.
> >
> > That was my basic point.
> >
> > The EDP not doing stereo looping is potentially disappointing. If 
> > stereo signals and you want to loop them and walk away, a stereo 
> > pretty important. If you've got sounds that you have carefully placed 
> > stereo field, a stereo looper is pretty important. But if stereo were
> > critical all the time, you'd think that more mix boards would have 
> > effects sends instead of mono sends.
> >
> > Not being stereo friendly, however -- i.e., not having stereo throughs 
> > means that the EDP rapidly forces a need for a mixer as well and that
> > both money and rack space. (Or it forces a need for a second EDP that 
> > allow you to work in stereo for most but not quite all features.)
> >
> > Being mono isn't necessarily a huge barrier to entry. Not being able to
> > nicely with stereo equipment without help is a barrier to entry in all 
> > the simplest setups and in those setups its a pain that you've got to 
> > place to balance a rack mount item and hook up a separate foot pedal.
> >
> > Mark
> >

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