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Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results (was RE: Cranky Kim)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "msottilaro" <sine@zerocrossing.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians, new tools=new results (was RE:
Cranky Kim)

> I do multiple loops of different lengths on the Repeater all the time.
> Works pretty well though you have to sent two instructions, one to
> advance the loop and another to arm it to record as soon as the current
> loop stops.  Not too hard with practice, but an auto arm function would
> have been nice.

This option is available in the last OS update. See the electrix website 
more information.

> I've looped with machines mostly, but my looping with Jon Wagner has
> been great.  Why?  He sets the tempo and knows how to keep it.
> Practice practice practice.  I find watching the Repeater's display
> totally helps.
> Mark Sottilaro
> On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 07:39  AM, Travis wrote:
> > If you're playing with other musicians, and the collective tempo
> > shifts, and you've already recorded a loop with tempo-dependent
> > information, then I don't see how you can "adjust" the loop.
> > Re-triggering on the downbeat won't help if the loop is of any
> > significant length, since you'll quickly be out of sync with
> > everything that comes after that.  Re-recording the loop is probably
> > inpractical if you've got a few layers and/or the loop is more than a
> > few seconds long, since you probably won't have time to re-do the loop
> > before either the next section arrives or the tempo shifts...again.
> >
> > What sort of adjustments would you suggest in such a situation?
> >
> > ***
> >
> > I think the EDP (like many tools) leads to, even requires, new ways of
> > working.  Trying to shoehorn it into previous musical forms, such as
> > an AABA song is sort of a dead-end.  But there's so many things you
> > can do with it that you couldn't do before, and those are the things
> > to go after.  I'm primarily using mine in a solo acoustic guitar
> > context, and while I usually end up with with two or three related
> > loops (via multiply and loop copy) which I can switch between to
> > provide a verse/chorus/bridge type structure, there's no way around
> > the first minute or two of building up those loops.  You can't just go
> > verse/chorus/verse/chorus/middle/chorus/chorus right from step one,
> > since the first pass of each section has only one layer.
> >
> > This doesn't bother me much, and the the exploratory section of each
> > piece which includes building each loop is just part of the piece.
> > Each tune ends up being about ten minutes long, but that's just how it
> > is.  Personally I never liked the idea of pre-loading loops in the way
> > the Repeater promised.
> >
> > TravisH
> >
> > On Friday, August 29, 2003, at 01:44 AM,
> > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:
> >
> >>> If you want to play with other musicians, a looper is a barrier
> >>> because it's like playing to a click track... which everyone hates,
> >>> unless
> >>> they're another looping musician.
> >>
> >> That's true if the looper is a beginner and doesn't know how to
> >> adjust their loops with the music around them.
> >