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At 05:07 PM 8/29/2003 -0700, Tim Nelson wrote: >--- Relay <relaydelayband@earthlink.net> wrote: > > this pattern (in Em Dorian, it's Root fifth min 3 four second flat >sixth, > > for your edification) moves up and up like an Escher painting! > >A different animal to be sure, but your description kinda reminds me of >what some people call a 'barber pole': a delayed/looplayered rising or >falling tone that never reaches its destination because as it fades away, >it's beginning again (and in the middle of itself as well). Example of >one: the end of Pink Floyd's 'Echoes' from 'Meddle'. I think the proper term for those are 'Shepard Tones' -- named after the perceptual scientist who discovered them, Roger N. Shepard. There's also an excellent example of Shepard Tones used on the last track of Yellow Magic Orchestra's album _BGM_, titled "Loom". If you're interested in recreating them, do a quick Google search. It just came up with a few different tips on implementing Shepard Tones on a variety of electronic instruments. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil