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This is regarding the "not a looper, using a looper" thread . . . As fate would have it, I just acquired a DL4 and used it to practice during a weekend in Las Vegas (had a gig, it rained pretty good out there!). I found that the loop length is not long enough for many song structures (28 seconds) for my purposes--I knew this from before, I had one when I got my first Gibson EDP and took it back, but wanted to give it another try. So I am assuming that Kenny Edwards was using the DL4 as a tap tempo delay (maybe in loop mode, tho) to add content to his solos, rather than create structure over which to solo--correct me if I'm wrong, Rick. Longer loop times are rather convenient for us singer/songwriter types, so that we can solo over structure which was initially sung over. Ironically, some years back when Andre and I shared a conversation and a warm beverage in Sherman Oaks, he opined that we were not so different, as looping guitarists (this was before he heard me play 8^) and I observed, "I'm a singer". Andre kicks butt as a guitarist and so does Matthias-- Thanks to everybody here for moving this wonderful technology forward and taking a chance with it--if it isn't all progressive, know that progress is being made and you are a part of it. Like to quote Ben Franklin now, at the signing of the Declaration of Independence: We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. Peace, Gary