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ok guys heres one of my very simple and not totally well thoght out ideas for injecting a bit of variation into my loops, I have just started trying to play a few songs where in my favoured mould of " create a loop and play over it", In my new technique I create a more dynamic loop by rather then making a four bar loop for a 4/4 song I actually create an odd numbered loop say three or five, I make a five bar loop of guitar tapping and drumming all in real time not as mutiples of one bar, so as to get a few differant timeing and sound variants, I then add some colour with say a couple of swells or a lick , I then close the loop and switch to playing in 4/4 the simplicity of this idea is that is sounds like the loop is shifting under the chord progression and it dosnt <to my ears> get as stale as quickly. well, its not random and its sure not hard, but it does offer a few more variations before you get back to the same line/chord/drum pattern as you started with. hope this helps someone Phill _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/