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On Dec 31, 2004, at 16:26, Os wrote: > http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html > > this let's you do the first loop and immediately starts emitting MIDI > clock - which you can then sync Live or whatever to. Yes, that's cool. The other way is to use a fixed tempo. But you really don't have to know or hear that tempo to start playing something meaningful. Just use some software (or hardware) effect that is beat synced. Then you start building up something with no rhythm to it - just plain wishy-washy ambient stuff. A chord or just some long notes overlapping each others in layers. From the effect you will pretty soon hear the tempo and then you can start to mould the loop into "normal" beat dependent music. speaking Abl Live, I like the autofilter for that task. On the Echoplex, if you have it loaded with Loop 4, you can achieve the same "gradual beat introduction" by pasting in quantizes slices of your live playing, or any other sound source. I think a lot of the magic in live looping is to keep the very start of a session as open as possible. It seems as the thrill is also experienced by a listening audience. Another important thing is to have lot of stuff available, even if you don't use them. Just to help your self confidence as an improvisor. (performing written songs with loopers is different) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen