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This reminds me of something Ted told me in Santa Cruz--that he likes to listen to what others are doing (in this case, as separate acts in a festival setting) and then do what no one else is doing. Gary <snip> I once saw John Zorn play a rare gig in Southern California with his band, Masada. The opening act was a very creative and LOUD local rock band. When Zorn and Co. took the stage they all played acoustically and very quietly at first -- almost below the level of the ability of audience at the back of the room to even hear. Nothing had been said. But, the voices and clinking glasses all gradually hushed as everyone strained to hear. Folks were leaning forward in their seats -- expectant. This went on for a minute or two -- 'til there was absolute silence except or the band. Then WHAMMM!!! The players launched full-force into what they are known to do -- a sort of loud, scabrous, free-form, harmolodic mix of squealing, ear-blistering free jazz and klezmer music that had the crown stamping and cheering. That's about the best example of what I'm talking about I've ever seen or heard. It's impressed me ever since. Like I said, I'm sick and twisted. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn