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I tend to agree with David on this. I've owned 2 of the 3 loopers he mentions in his first paragraph and the Boss DD-20. I believe creative spirit is the uniting factor on the list as opposed to price of device. Though I often dream of having a Repeater or the Hallowed EDP, things in real life like work, school, mortgage, bills etc.. have often gotten in the way. I do see Jesse's point if he were implying the zenith of said looping equipment in most of our minds at least technologically and demographically. Can you clarify for us Jesse? I don't think any insult was intended in the least. Still Lurking, Todd -----Original Message----- From: david geraghty <dbgeraghty@btinternet.com> Sent: Aug 29, 2005 5:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small packag Well, I use a 'low-end' looper and am not someone who wishes to pre- record backing tracks. The likes of an RC-20, DL-4 and Headrush are expensive enough without having to worry that I can't afford something that doesn't constitue a 'low-end' looper. These aforementioned items may not have all the functions of a more expensive looper, but loopers they still are. I may be missing out, but i'm still finding out many amazing things through the use of these loopers. i don't consider a moment using these as wasting time. -david > From: Jesse Kates <jesse@lunarium.com> > Date: 28 August 2005 18:19:17 BDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package > >>> >> >> This seems to be true, unfortunately. Or at least it is true among >> the big name brands trying to make low-end loopers. I'm astonished >> at how clueless the designers of some of these recent devices are. >> They could come here and spend 10 minutes asking people what they >> really want in a looper and create a killer product, but they don't. >> >> The sad thing is, many musicians get their introduction to looping >> by way of one of these crappy devices. They miss out on important >> fundamentals of looping as a result. It must be frustrating to >> waste time learning on one of these things. Like learning to play >> guitar on an instrument with one string. >> > > I think the market for these low-end loopers (like the RC-20) may > not be the constituency of this list. I imagine they sell most of > their units to musicians who want to pre-record backing tracks. > How many people are on this list, anyway? > > Jesse