Re: flexible looper in small packag

[Todd Howell <ransacker@earthlink.net>]

Yes, now I understand this with a tad more clarity. I would like to be 
much more of a hardcore loop guy myself. I have a friend who has the EDP 
and spends endless hours with it. I've tinkered and enjoyed it immensely.  
If it were a financial and time practicality, I would be sitting in my 
basement looping my way to bliss. Alas, trying to do another degree and 
pay a mortgage at the ripe old age of 40 is kind of taxing.  What features 
vs. price point break-over would signify the bet combination of all of 
these? Just an opinion question. Do tell if so inclined.

Todd

-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Kates <jesse@lunarium.com>
Sent: Aug 29, 2005 8:07 PM
To: Todd Howell <ransacker@earthlink.net>
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: flexible looper in small packag

> I do see Jesse's point if he were implying the zenith of said looping 
> equipment in most of our minds at least technologically and 
> demographically. Can you clarify for us Jesse? I don't think any 
> insult was intended in the least.
>
> Still Lurking,
>
> Todd

Hi Todd - I was responding to this comment, which has since been 
deleted from the thread :) -

>>> I've seen very little evidence that there's been much research on the
>>> part of manufacturers as to what makes a great looper (and what makes
>>> a frustrating one).

My point is that there may be substantial research on the part of 
manufacturers into what most buyers want in a "looping" device.  But 
what most buyers want may not be what looping musicians want.  I wasn't 
knocking the RC-20, nor was I saying it couldn't be used to create 
great art.  I was simply pointing out that this list is made up of 
hard-core loop enthusiasts, people who are probably not representative 
of most Boss buyers.

I've met people who love "looping" technology because it allows them to 
play along to the Eagles by pre-recording different chord progressions 
and triggering changes between them.  I bet there are more RC-20 buyers 
who fall under that category than there are serious (or even 
non-serious, but creative) loop musicians.  And of course, users like 
this would not be represented here.

The EDP, on the other hand, is clearly targeted at loop musicians, and 
I would guess it sells at a fraction of the rate of the RC-20 as a 
result.  This is not a comment on quality or price/value, just a 
comment on market demographics.

In sum, I am defending the product managers at Boss, Line 6, etc.  God 
knows why. :)

I personally own a Line 6 delay modeler, which I use to make music that 
I love, but I am pretty sure I use it in a way that would be considered 
an "edge case" by most Line 6 product professionals.  After all, the 
loop sampler on the Line 6 is just one mode of what, 16?   I would much 
rather have an EDP.   And I would buy the RC-20 in a second if it could 
record sound-on-sound at other than 100% feedback.

Jesse