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>>,now >>i want to find a little (non synth) effect that will >>turn my guitar into a bass,what do u use? try the Boss OC-3, I got one a month ago and it has exceeded all my expectations for its usefullness. there is a poly mode which tracks mustiple notes (not mono like most) it simply dosnt glitch as all and with the blend turned right up will track all the way up to the 12th fret. but even better then this with the blend turned halfish way you get all the bass notes on the top two strings of the guitar up to about the 8th fret plus normal un-octaved notes for the rest of the guitar, this way you can pick out normal guitar bits on the higher strings whilst doing the bass line on the bottom two !! and its plenty loud enough, something the oc-2 failed in. seriously, for the money, this IS the bass solution for me. Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk