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Well, I'll try to be more concise in my LD correpondences in the future. The problem is that there is just too much crap crammed in my brain and I happen to type about 80 words per minute. Those two things make for a lot of used up bandwidth!! My FB experience is on hold for now. Sure, I got it configured fine to work with my EDPs, but I still can't get past its size, plus I'm not really using the features that you can access on via MIDI and not the EDP controller. For instance, if I want to have 6 separate loops, I'll just use the Next Loop button on the controller to scroll through them, rather than selecting that loop immediately via MIDI. I'm using my Insert function on my EDP controller to trigger reverse on the EDPs, but I guess it would be nice to use it for the subsitute function with some quantizing. But my music is typically far too organic, free flowing, and non-meter like to really benefit from quantizing. Now that I think about it, I don't use quantize for anything when I loop. I like to be responsible for my own timing. :) The half speed function is cool, which you can only access via MIDI, but I wouldn't really use that much either. Right now I'm more interested in getting all I can get with the functionality accessible with the EDP controller. I don't want to complicate things any more. I got the FB up and running with Mobius too, but Mobius and my computer are just not getting along. I get hangs and glitches, etc...and I don't have time to run that trace program for Jeff to see what the issue is. I still like the idea of a software standalone or VST looping program that can what an EDP does, but I don't have the patience to screw with technical issues and bugs. It detracts me from the artistic component of my music. If I could find a proram that just worked great right from the start, and I didn't have to be a rocket scientist to configure or troubleshoot it, I'd be a happy camper. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music >Same here....me talk too much. hm, not this time, Kris :-) I admit that, although I like your contributions, I sometimes gave up when looking at the size... sad... sad anyway that I rarely can folow the list... >By the way, Matthias, thanks for the suggestion about using Feedback >more. I tried that it is produced some suprising results. It forced me >to keep things fresh...normally it is easy to get lazy and start >admiring your own loops, noodling around with things over them, >etc....but in this case, all of a sudden your loops are disappearing >before you ears and you have to keep creating more stuff! Keeps you on >your toes! yes! I try to imagine sometimes how my music would have developed if I had started with a tool that could loop forever. but then again, I started with the idea to create an ever changing sound. freezing delays existed and never seemed interesting to me... so how did your FB experiences go? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org