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On Nov 17, 2005, at 20:59, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > what i have wanted for a long time is a hardware version of this > that could work on analog pulse input instead of midi. > this would enable my drummer to DICTATE the tempo. > it worked in my studio on a prerecorded piece driven by a drummer > playing midi pads so i dont see why the same logic would not work > with different input types. same thing really. > > "logic audio" algorithm, non midi trigger inputs. If you care to set up a computer on stage the software Circular Logic seem to do that i real-time. Below I'm pasting in an earlier post to this list by the application's developer Michael Stauffer, so you can read up for yourself and eventually follow the links to watch the demo movies. Regarding the tempo track and re-clocking functions of Logic I have used them quite successfully for recorded audio, but I wouldn't even think about trying it out for a live audio input. Actually I have found, when producing recorded music, that I get better tempo sync in Logic, to a recorded piece of music, when listening and simply draw the tempo curve on the screen exactly the way I would have played it if I was a drummer. Now I'm even a lousy Virtual Drummer, so this method takes a lot of time. But it's better because you can regain a little of what is lost in any tempo following algorithm: the human perception and implementation of gestures (that's where the fun is IMHO). Sometimes it feels good to bring up the tempo map just a little bit before the recorded live audio goes up in tempo and vice verca - only to balance the never ending interplay between DRIVING and BEING DRIVEN so it kind of creates a "dialogue" between the recorded audio and whatever is happening in Logic (the stuff we're "syncing"). BTW I presume Live5 does this syncing up midi to recorded material better than Logic at the moment. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Sep 14, 2004, at 19:33, Michael Stauffer wrote: > Hey Griff, > > I'm the developer with the Circular Logic software InTime. Yes, you > can > set InTime up to follow a live drummer, either by using mic's and > audio-to-midi software, or by using relatively inexpensive drum > triggers - there's a discussion about setting up InTime with a > drummer on > our site: > http://www.circular-logic.com/docs/Drummer_setup_tips.html > > As for Live, I've been messing with it myself for doing the kind of > tempo-changing live-looping you're talking about - really cool > software. > The InTime video demo on our site actually uses Live to playback loops > with tempo-changing while I play guitar: > http://www.circular-logic.com/videos.html > > You've probably read already in this list that the setup for remote > control in Live is awkward in some ways, and I recommend using Control > Aid to simplify any midi-trigger setup you use. > > Ableton Live will do all the time-stretching, really nicely, like you > hope, but there are two catches when using it with something like > InTime > > 1) Live doesn't get the "warp points" (the sync points) of a loop > correctly when the loop is recorded while the tempo is changing. > So, if > you record while InTime is changing the tempo, the loop doesn't > play back > in sync after you've finished recording it. I've tested this > problem by > using sources of tempo change other than InTime, and it's an > oversight in > Live's programming. It should be relatively easy for them to fix - > since > Live always know the tempo and the location of the beat during > recording, > it should be able to set the warp points using this information. > Instead, > after you record a loop while the tempo is changing, Live seems to > treat > it as a loop with overall steady tempo, and thus gets the warp points > wrong. I've told Ableton about this problem, but if you were also > to let > them know that this is a drawback for you, it might help speed them > along > their way to fixing it. :) I posted a message about this in the user > forum a couple months back if you want to look at it in more > detail, or > just ask me. It's pretty easy to workarond this, though - you can > setup a > midi trigger to disable/enable InTime's tempo-tracking, then when you > want to record a loop you first disable the tracking so that InTime > runs > at a steady tempo, then reenable it when you want to jam and have the > drummer control the tempo. > > 2) Live averages the incoming midi clocks over about 2 beats, so its > response to tempo changes from InTime is somewhat dulled, but still > very > functional, as you can see in the video demo on our site. > > InTime for Mac OS X is still in public beta, but I'm readying it for > release as we speak and it will be available soon. > > Let me know if you have any other questions. > > Cheers, > Michael