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Janosch, regarding devices in the lower price range: The DD20 seems to be a fine tool, plus it offers several delay algorithms. Other loopers in the same price range are the Boss RC-20/RC-20XL, the Digitech Jamman and the Line6 DL4. Among these three, the Line6 has by far the shortest loop length (14s or 28s in halfspeed), but offers single-shot (for stuttering effects), reverse and half-speed functionality. The RC-20 and RC-20XL does also offer reverse, but none of the other ones offers the other two options. Plus, the DL4 has also some interesting delay algorithms (albeit with a short delay time of ~3s or half of it for the reverse delay). The Akai Headrush would also be in the same league regarding price and features. I did own the older E-1 variant, which offers either a 23s delay or a 23s looper (albeit only half of that if you do overdubs, which you can undo). Depending on the way you work with loops, some delay-based effects might also be in the running. TC Electronic's D-Two offers a maximum of 10seconds in mono, and has some whacked forward/reverse rhythmic tapped delays, dynamic delays as well as added filters and modulators. There are also a lot of vintage devices, some of them might be had at a good price and provide lots of fun: Digitech's RDS/PDS series offer modulated delays with a length of up to 8s (in the PDS8000). Then there's the Lexicon Vortex, which can be used as a textural looper (with a maximum loop length of something like 1.67s cascading both delay lines). There's also the original Lexicon Jamman, although I know nothing about this one. If using a computer would be an option for you, there are some tools in the market as well. Mac users seem to enjoy AugustusLoop a lot, while for win platforms there's a emulation of eight EDPs called Mobius - both come as VST effects (Moebius also as standalone). For a listing of software loop solutions, you might take a look at Bernhard Wagner's list here http://tinyurl.com/b8lw6. Finally, let me state that it's also but not only about the tools. Just like you, I started to do looplike stuff with very limited setups (in my case, the combination of the delay algos of a Boss SE-50 and a digitech StudioQuad), which really limited my possibilities. Nowadays, I'm able to use a DL4, an Eclipse, a Vortex and a Repeater for loop stuff - but there's a lot of really interesting stuff you can do e.g. with a DL4 alone, or with a combo of, say, a DD20 and a Virtualizer. In most of my sessions and concerts with my improvised dance outfit "Eclectic Blah", I rely on the looping possibilities of the DL4 exclusively, and especially in a band context, this is really enough. Welcome to our strange world! Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Janosch K. [mailto:daasp@gmx.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. November 2005 15:43 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: New here and looking for a looping device Hello all, May a few words regarding my person first. I'm 19 and from Wuppertal ,Germany, being a Synth/Keyboard-player for 3 years and studying law at the university. Listening to Prog Rock like Yes and King Crimson. I found this wonderful site few weeks ago and kept reading quite a bit since them. My interest for looping came up when I got my hand on a Behringer Multi-FX device, the Virtualizer DSP 2024, but I never did much looping until one month ago, when I got my Roland GR1 guitar synth, which seems to be the perfect soundtool for my needs. So i experimented a lot with loops, even if the device only has 5 seconds of delay time it was a very nice experience and I can spend hours with it, with adding new stuff constantly and fading out the old stuff by controlling the feedback. And you never know how the whole thing will develop. And now, I'm looking for a device, that offers more delay/loop time. I have read great things about the Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex and TC 2290, but they are out of my price range, so I took a look on the Boss DD20, which seems to be very nice with it's 23 seconds of loop or delay time (as I read in a Looper's Delight review, you can even have 46 seconds). Also it keeps the ongoing delay when you switch programs. I'm going to test it soon, are there any comments on this device? In my opinion, it should be fine enough to start with. Or are there any alternatives out there? Thanks in advance! All the best, Janosch