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Kris, > if I had been the > program manager for the development of the unit, I would have done what >any > program manager in marketing would have done with the development of a >new > product, namely conducted a series of focus groups Ah! Built in mediocrity. I'd much rather see the result of Bob's vision unadulterated, than some marketeer's compromise. Why do you think the loopers coming from the big-name companies are so lame? Focus groups and market-driven design ... Great Art rarely gets made by committee. And before you ask, yes I work in advertising ... ;-) -- Ian Petersen