Oh yeah, I might add that I can't get anywhere near the sound of the
Boogie Mark I when it comes to heavy, rock sounds just in the amp, but
I have an old RAT pedal from my dad's rig that sound like a dream
through it.
--Josh
Joshua Carroll wrote:
As long as we're talking guitar amps, has anyone else here played
through the Crate V-Series amps? I know, I know. Crate? Really?
Yep. I've always hated Crate gear in general, but I tell you, I'm
playing the V32,
and it has the sweetest tone of any amp I've owned. The clean rivals
any Fender I've heard, the spring reverb may even be a little more
lush, and the drive is something like a Marshall, but warmer. And for
the price, there seriously isn't anything that sounds better IMHO. A
buddy of mine plays a 30-watt Orange that cost him over 3 times what I
paid, and sound guys always like my tone better.
I hear their little 15 watt-ers sound pretty incredible too if you're
looking for something lightweight.
--Josh
Krispen Hartung wrote:
You crammed an EV in a Polytone? Impressive. I should have
tried that with my Teeny Brute...I did notice those Polyetone speakers
are quite odd, which tiny cones. I'm wondering if they special made
them that way as a part of their sound, etc. They are quite amazing for
solid state amps. I think part of the reason is that they are crammed
full of padding inside and they are sealed. That seems to mellow out
the tone a bit...show knows...I just wish I had mine back.
Actually, they are still making the smaller version of the JC-120,
which is the JC-90:
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=250&ParentId=57
It is stereo as well. I thought the JC77 was mono. I used to have the
JC-90. It was a lot easier to pack around, but I found the it to be
too mid rangy and nasely for my taste.
Kris
----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker"
<billwalker@baymoon.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp
Well, yes I was being a bit sarcastic. I
believe the JC120 came to promise
fro two reasons,
1. It has self contained stereo chorused that at least gives its
sterile
sound a bit of dimension. 2. It is very dependable and loud, a
favorite of
cartage and rental services as back line for touring bands.
As one who has had to use provided back line amps, I always hope that a
fender twin is present and its tubes aren't so gassed as to make it
sound
flabby. otherwise I would settle for a jazz chorus, and I never had a
problem with its clean sound, however, I can't believe that after all
these
years , Roland has never gotten the clue that the distortion sound on
these
things is basically useless, not to mention the reverb is pretty tin
can
sounding as well. And this is a company that excels at signal
processors. Go
figure. I had a mini brute, which I took to Berklee years ago. Ii was a
nice
warm clean sounding solid state amp, made even louder by the EVM
speaker I
managed to somehow cram in to its little cabinet. Later I had a Pearce
G1
amp, because it actually had a very usable overdrive channel, soon
after I
added a Pearce extension cabinet w/ slave power amp for stereo ,and
later I
switched to a Pearce preamp running through a boogie power amp. I
finally
abandoned the rack mount amp dance about ten years ago and went back to
tube
combos for most of my live gigs, and a modeling amp when doing the
looping
thing. I know a lot of great music has been played on these amps, and
certainly if what you desire is uber clean, the JC120 has few modern
peers,
but for me, clean tube sounds better than clean solid state, and it
feels
better, though the natural compression of a tube amp can be mimicked
with a
good compressor (my old Pearce amps had a built in limiter similar to
the
Gibson Lab series amps, which Dan Pearce helped design). If you want
something like a JC120, but without the back ache, You might try to
find a
used JC77, the discontinued baby brother to the JC120. I found a link
on
EBAY
http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-JC77-Jazz-Chorus-Guitar-Amp-with-Xtras_W0QQitemZ1
40000830625QQihZ004QQcategoryZ47094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I have developed a fondness for amps with a two ten speaker
configuration,
I own a 70's vibrolux reverb, and 60's vox AC10 twin, and as a gigging
middle aged guy I appreciate the fact that I'm not risking a hernia
every
time I load my amp in my trunk. I also like the tighter bass response
the
tens give, they just seem punchier to me..
Cheers
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:13 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp
Don't worry Mark, I won't sell both of my VF1's! :) They are amazing
little boxes.
Bill, what's wrong with the JC120? I can't tell whether you were
making a
fecicios comment about them or not. Forgive me if you weren't. Some
amazing
jazz players, like Pat Martino and Mike Stearn, have used those amps.
Frankly, there really isn't such a thing as a "jazz amp." Jazzers of
all
calibers use what fits their taste...I've seen it all, from solid state
Polytones, Rolands, and Gibsons, to tube Fenders, Boogies, and Music
Man.
Some guitarists, like McLaughlin, have even bi-passed amps altogether
at
times, plugging directly into processors and then directly into the
board.
The breadth of taste is pretty amazing.
...I do wish I had my old Polytone Teeny Brute back...I was such an
idiot
for selling that years ago.
Kris
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp
Well Mark I'd be curious as to how you
did
the JC120 thingy on the tonelab
(and why???? in gods name) and Actually like most of the stomp box
effects
on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and distortion models on the
front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid range honk than the
original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't rattle my cage, and
a
rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia octave, and ring
modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, until a week ago, to
pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal board, and stick it
in
the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of the chain). Well
last
week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan, and I am just
dumb
struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front end of the
tonelab.
Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high plate voltage, it
adds
tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two channels of
anything
from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very saturated, yet
smooth
and singing overdrive, all with great touch sensitivity. I just
submitted
a
review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly gushed about how good
it
sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation presets on the
tone
lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy, I was just searching for
a
more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the tweed, black face,
early
marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does this puppy fit the
bill.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp
--- William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
wrote:
Mark has a point,
I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style!
Do take
note that the vox people did not see fit to model a
transistor amp, not jazz
chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set
maybe the vox ain't for
you.
Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good
JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now...
I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key
was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab
modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results
when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris
has a couple of)
I have to say that as much as I like some of the
stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio
I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are
really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab
sadly isn't) Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad.
Also I found they're one of the best processor out
there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds
(though not for guitar)
Mark
Mark
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