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Id like to jump on the groove of this thread now brothers,i just had a gig with an amp named "Koch" all i can tell you is that i am floored by the sound of this beauties the do "cook" like their name!i borrowed it from a guitarrist friend of my bass player,he has the multitone 50 watt head combined with the TS212H speaker cabinet i am telling you this combination its absolutely beautiful!it is compact(you also have the combo option but is more of a back breaker),powerful,looks good and the most versatile amp i know out there with 3 channels plus great reverb.It compresses beautiful and the dirty channels are nothing but great you can get any sound from the old cats weather is jazz or rock with this amp plus the reverb has the authentic ennio marricone 60īs surf sound.The minute i plugged in i heard the sounds ive been trying to get from long time and now i realize it was due to the amps ive used in the past,although i have a good les paul,tele and strat.I am afraid for me is going to get harder and harder to play with digital simulators now,the dutch got it right check them out! http://www.koch-amps.com/ Luis Well, yes I was being a bit sarcastic. Ibelieve the JC120 came to promise fro two reasons, 1. It has self contained stereo chorused that at least gives itssterile sound a bit of dimension. 2. It is very dependable and loud, afavorite of cartage and rental services as back line for touring bands. As one who has had to use provided back line amps, I always hope that a fender twin is present and its tubes aren't so gassed as to make itsound flabby. otherwise I would settle for a jazz chorus, and I never had a problem with its clean sound, however, I can't believe that after allthese years , Roland has never gotten the clue that the distortion sound onthese things is basically useless, not to mention the reverb is pretty tincan sounding as well. And this is a company that excels at signalprocessors. Go figure. I had a mini brute, which I took to Berklee years ago. Ii was anice warm clean sounding solid state amp, made even louder by the EVMspeaker I managed to somehow cram in to its little cabinet. Later I had a PearceG1 amp, because it actually had a very usable overdrive channel, soonafter I added a Pearce extension cabinet w/ slave power amp for stereo ,andlater I switched to a Pearce preamp running through a boogie power amp. Ifinally abandoned the rack mount amp dance about ten years ago and went back totube combos for most of my live gigs, and a modeling amp when doing thelooping thing. I know a lot of great music has been played on these amps, and certainly if what you desire is uber clean, the JC120 has few modernpeers, but for me, clean tube sounds better than clean solid state, and itfeels better, though the natural compression of a tube amp can be mimickedwith a good compressor (my old Pearce amps had a built in limiter similar tothe Gibson Lab series amps, which Dan Pearce helped design). If you want something like a JC120, but without the back ache, You might try tofind a used JC77, the discontinued baby brother to the JC120. I found a linkon EBAY http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-JC77-Jazz-Chorus-Guitar-Amp-with-Xtras_W0QQitemZ1 40000830625QQihZ004QQcategoryZ47094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I have developed a fondness for amps with a two ten speakerconfiguration, I own a 70's vibrolux reverb, and 60's vox AC10 twin, and as a gigging middle aged guy I appreciate the fact that I'm not risking a herniaevery time I load my amp in my trunk. I also like the tighter bass responsethe tens give, they just seem punchier to me.. Cheers Bill -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Don't worry Mark, I won't sell both of my VF1's! :) They are amazing little boxes. Bill, what's wrong with the JC120? I can't tell whether you weremaking a fecicios comment about them or not. Forgive me if you weren't. Someamazing jazz players, like Pat Martino and Mike Stearn, have used those amps. Frankly, there really isn't such a thing as a "jazz amp." Jazzers ofall calibers use what fits their taste...I've seen it all, from solid state Polytones, Rolands, and Gibsons, to tube Fenders, Boogies, and MusicMan. Some guitarists, like McLaughlin, have even bi-passed amps altogetherat times, plugging directly into processors and then directly into theboard. The breadth of taste is pretty amazing. ...I do wish I had my old Polytone Teeny Brute back...I was such anidiot for selling that years ago. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Well Mark I'd be curious as to how youdidthe JC120 thingy on the tonelab (and why???? in gods name) and Actually like most of the stomp box effects on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and distortion models on the front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid range honk than the original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't rattle my cage, anda rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia octave, and ring modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, until a week ago, to pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal board, and stick itin the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of the chain). Welllast week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan, and I am justdumb struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front end of thetonelab. Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high plate voltage, it adds tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two channels ofanything from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very saturated, yet smooth and singing overdrive, all with great touch sensitivity. I justsubmitted a review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly gushed about how goodit sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation presets on thetone lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy, I was just searching fora more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the tweed, black face,early marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does this puppy fit the bill. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp --- William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>wrote: Mark has a point, I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style! Do take note that the vox people did not see fit to model a transistor amp, not jazz chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set maybe the vox ain't for you. Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now... I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris has a couple of) I have to say that as much as I like some of the stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab sadly isn't) Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad. Also I found they're one of the best processor out there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds (though not for guitar) Mark Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com