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OK, I am going through my upgrade manual and trying things I have never used before (they might cause a fire). I have been playing around with loop windowing, doing and unrounded multiply, and then playing through different parts of the loop. What I am trying to figure out is how other people use this. My first instinct was to multiply, and while multiplying, record something over top. Now, if I hit undo to go through the loop, the overdub goes away, but I can 'window' through the loop. According to the manual this is how it is supposed to work. I was thinking that I could shift the underlying loop, but leave the top material, but that isn't what happens. I will keep playing with it, but I would like to come up with some applications, because it seems like a cool feature. I just don't really know what to try yet. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives <--- 50 CDs, 50 hours, no copies