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what's also amazing is the change in yard/estate sale tactics. Years ago, before eBay, you could wander your neighborhood and find some good deals on things at yard sales.....I used to see musical instruments and old gear for decent prices. Now, with folks going to yard sales, buying junk, and selling it for profit on eBay, people are catching on and are asking more for items. They get on line and do the research to see what they can ask. Gone are the days of someone going to some old lady's yard sale and finding a mint and vintage Fender in a case in the attic, from her son who went to the war but never came back, and getting a stellar deal on it. This is an extreme, I admit. I used to think that 50% of new price was a fair deal on used gear. 15 years ago I used this rule and it worked fine. Now, as you mention below, you can find used gear sometimes going for 70% of the new price....it's crazy. Hell, I bought Behringer FCB controller several years ago, new from a music store, and some idiot bought it for more than what I paid for it on eBay....if he had done the research he could have got it new for less. It's like people go to eBay and lose their minds. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <paulrichard10@adelphia.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... > There's a lot of money out there. A roof-top classic apartment (or floor > actually with a ballroom) is currently going in NYC for 70 million > dollars. That's a lot of fazules! And Bently Automobiles has been > advertising more in the periodicals. > > My own impression (gleaned from shopping eBay, pawn shops, etc.) is that > used music gear seems to be priced higher than ever. I know, I know, > there's always the good buy that someone got but I noticed that every > single item I bid on eBay turns into a bidding war and drives the price > up. No good bargains there. Pawnshops used to have good stuff (I picked >up > a Minimoog synthesizer a few years back for $120). Now (at least the >ones > I've visited the last few years) have cheap junk. And music stores that > have used gear (like Johnny B Goods in Pittsburgh) have all the stuff > priced way too high (is anyone paying those prices for, say, an old >Yamaha > midi sequencer?). > > Then, there's these corporate collectors like Hard Rock cafe and > individual collectors with deep pockets that seem to scour every > guitar/synth/effect pedal/etc. like a purse seine trawling for tuna. >Guys > with very deep pockets like Paul Allen from Microsoft. > > Gibson prices seem inordinately high to me. Maybe I'm wrong. I bought a > gold Les Paul Deluxe in, oh, 1970's for $500.00 so maybe that equates to > the current asking price. Some newer Fenders seem to be priced right but > both brands seem pricy to me for the moderately good stuff. Personally, >I > can only afford guitars in the $500-1000 price point range. And I >usually > stick to lower/mid end PRS/Godin or Ephiphone brands. I doubt I'd ever > spend more than that unless I won the lottery. > > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Howell" <ransacker@earthlink.net> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... > > >> Rare is it that I chime in on such matters. But I am in agreement with >> Mr. Hartung here. >> The whole idea of the dream tone is so subjective that it's to the >point >> of being moot in many cases. >> As for the idea of paying 40K for anything that I can't sleep in is >> absurd. I am sure that these Gibson Jazz Boxes are supremely well >crafted >> and play and sound wonderful. I have no doubt about this. However. I >> can't imagine most people, even the pornographically wealthy, being >able >> to justify the price tag. >> >> I find that most mid range priced gear usually suits my purposes just >> fine. I play a Godin LGXT that I got at GC for less than 800.00 used, a >> Vox AC30 (CC1) and a bunch of pedals from Boss and Digitech, and a >Gibson >> Echoplex. These all serve me very well in the current context that I >> play. Even if I could afford a bunch of seriously boutique-ish gear, >why? >> I know that alot of it probably sound grand, but for most of us, the >idea >> of doing things like paying the mortgage, feeding our kids (or in my >case >> Border Collie and Tabbies) and most of all not winding up getting >kicked >> the curb or at least wind up sleeping on the couch alot of nights. All >of >> this to make sure that we sound transcendent as opposed to good. Most >of >> John Q. Public is usually too busy picking the tomatoes off of their >> nachos or trying to making connection with carnal possibility to really >> notice your tone. I guess I don't worry too much about playing for >other >> musicians when I do. I hope they appreciate it. >> >> Forty-Thousand Dollars for a guitar? Five thousand dollars for an >> amplifier? Chime in and show me where this is a great idea. >> >> I could be well wrong here........... >> >> Todd >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> >>>Sent: Dec 16, 2006 11:42 PM >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Re: Compact guitar amp... >>> >>>From: "Zoe Keating" <cello@zoekeating.com> >>> >>>>I tried a very small Schertler amp a few months ago and was pretty >>>>impressed....but that was with a cello. >>> >>>Was it the David? I tried one here in Boise...very nice >>>sounding....though >>>they were mainly for acoustic vs. electric mondern jazz...but really >nice >>>amps, nonetheless...built like tanks (Swiss, of course, I think). I >can >>>see >>>how they would sound great for cello. >>> >>>It's funny how my taste has changed in amps over the years. I used to >>>think >>>boutique amps, $1000 and higher, were the only way to go...and I've >owned >>>a >>>few of them over the years (power, pre, combo). These days I find that >a >>>$200-$300 amp suits me just fine, and that the "alleged dream tone" >>>really >>>isn't dramatically different than a mid-range amp. This is only my >>>personal >>>experience and opinion here, of course. I can generally get a tone I >like >>>out of a lower cost amp. I put most of my investment in my guitars and >my >>>playing technique. >>> >>>I'm also finding that there is a trend going on today with guitars and >>>amps. >>>Many foreign manufacturers are starting to produce some very affordable >>>gear >>>that plays really good and consistently. A local music store here has >>>some >>>hollow body jazz guitars that are made in Taiwan that play just >amazing, >>>and >>>are a fraction of the price of the boutique jazz axes. I know some guys >>>who >>>have paid $40,000 for their Gibson L5s, Super 400 or Wes Montgomery >>>model.s....freakin' insane. I think Gibson's guitar are grossly >>>overpriced...you can get a not-well-known luthier to make something for >a >>>fraction of the price. I wouldn't even feel comfortable taking a guitar >>>like that (the high end Gibson's) out of the case at a gig. >>> >>>I've read on MANY jazz guitar discussion forums that the Roland Cube 60 >>>($300 +) is a great pick for diverse tone and portability. It keeps >>>popping >>>up as a great pick....pretty amazing and quite appealing for a bunch of >>>old >>>guys with gray hair whose backs are too bad to lift those Fender Twins >>>and >>>JC-120s. Purism in amps is starting to lose grip a bit with all the >>>latest >>>greatest DSP technology. Interesting phenomeon going on with music >>>technology. >>> >>>Kris >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>> On Dec 16, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Andrew Koenig wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Anyone have any ideas for a small, >>>>>>> compact guitar amp for >>>>>>> jazz, with a lot of bells and whistles, effects, >>>>>>> etc? >>>>> >>>>> How compact? What price range? If you want something to drool >over, >>>>> check >>>>> out www.acousticimg.com and look for the Corus model. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > >