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You know, I kinda wonder if the reason they mastered these new sets is because of digital, after all, those early Zep albums were done in analog, which brings back the onverly exhasted debate about digial and analog. Aside from that, I once read an article about Van Halen releasing a Best Of compilation, and some of the new material was mastered with no compression. His reason for doing it...He wanted to see what it would sound like and the radio stations compress the hell out of them again to make for consistent volumes from song to song, so by leaving it uncompressed, the song would sound rather dynamic throught the radio station's compressors...clever. --- Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Too bad that the remastered Zep CDs are too loud way > too bright... > > > >Absolutely Brian!those Zeppelin record production > >still amaze me,and they are made to be turned > up!those > >drum sounds still sound fresh and the sounds page > got > >out of those small amps and guitars are the most > >interesting ive heard in rock n roll history.What > ive > >always found brilliant about such a band was the > >passion behind it,there are mistakes all over the > >place like the solo on "baby i am gonna leave you" > the > >instrumental "black mountain side" or the bleeding > >echo at the end of "you shook me" or the cut off > lost > >part by their engineer which i believe page fired > on > >the spot which they had to solve by pasting another > >part at the begining of "celebration day"... > >but is the honesty power and passion,no frills or > >thrills they played back in those days that make > them > >so special to this day,almost as if it was the last > >time they were going to live... > >Luis > > > > > > > > > >--- greg williams <gregorwilliams@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > >> Brian, > >> > >> I am also a fan of Page and his production in > >> general in terms of dynamics, > >> but have you heard "How the West was Won"? It > was > >> hugely disappointing for > >> me in this regard; it is squashed beyond belief, > and > >> so is the sound on the > >> Zeppelin DVD, which was released around the same > >> time. I don't know if it > >> was Page himself who suddenly caved in or his > >> mastering engineer, but I > >> really wish I could hear those recordings with > some > >> dynamics still intact. > >> > >> ~Greg > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Brian Kupferschmid > >> [mailto:apparitionapparition@yahoo.com] > >> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:48 AM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: Why contemporary music sounds > terrible > >> > >> I wholly agree with this, I believe a lot of > today's > >> music is crap, not just because the talent is > >> lacking, > >> but the dynamics as a whole is lacking. Aside > from > >> super compressed material, the bands themselves > only > >> see to know two sounds, clean and dirty. > Where's > >> the > >> middle ground? I can listen to a blues song and > >> still > >> hear the dynamics, I can hear the accentuations > on > >> the > >> notes being played to create emotion. A lot of > >> today's pop and rock music lacks that. Mind > you, > >> Metal in all it's forms, isn't supposed to be > >> dynamic > >> in the musical sense, but why would you squeeze > the > >> life out of any song to make it in your face? > My > >> favorite stuff to listen to would be anything > Jimmy > >> Page produced(Led Zeppelin for sure). He > composed > >> his > >> songs and used the studio to enhance his > material > >> with > >> what he refers to "light and shade". The > >> combination > >> of close and room micing, soft versus loud and > >> layering acoustics with clean electrics and so > on. > >> If > >> you think about it, even some of the heaviest > >> sounding > >> stuff he did, wasn't all that distorted. > >> Ultimately, > >> his use of dynamics traslated over into the > >> mastering > >> part as well, what makes the big parts sound big > is > >> the small parts, thus making the song truly > >> engulfing. > >> Another band to use dynamics to it's fullest is > >> Tool, > >> because of the ebb and flow, you can listen to > an 8 > >> minute tune and not get bored, because the > shifts in > >> phrasing and dynamics keeps you there, and > what's > >> more, everytime you listen to it, a new part > pops up > >> you didn't realise was there before. Anyway, > I've > >> spoken what I think, so I have to agree, part of > > > what > >> is annoying about today's music is the lack of > >> dynamics, it wears you out. > >> --- Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> > wrote: > >> > >> > This is an interesting article posted on the > jazz > >> > guitar discussion group. > >> > Jeff Kaiser and I had some interesting > discussions > >> > about the abuses or > >> > misgivings of compression and the quest for > hotter > >> > levels in newer CDs when > >> > I was mastering the discs for the Boise > >> Experimental > >> > Music Festival....all > >> > the different ways you can increase levels > (for > >> CDs > >> > to sound comparable to > > > > other professional CDs in your player), yet > >> > maintain natural dynamics, etc. > >> > Now, it has occured to me that often times > when I > >> > hear a CD, especially > >> > pop/rock CDs, and I think to myself, wow that > is a > >> > really hot and "in your > >> > face" level", the mix also doesn't have much > of a > >> > dynamic range...some guy > >> > is screaming his lyrics, or you can tell that > is > >> is > >> > practically blowing his > >> > brains out to get that tone out of his > horn...but > >> it > >> > is no louder than the > >> > section where he is wispering poetry over an > >> ambient > >> > section. It's like > >> > compress, compress, compress, limit, limit, > >> > limit....turn that wave form > >> > into a solid bar, and then raise it to > 0db...in > >> your > >> > face, 100% of the time. > >> > Below is the first time I've seen this > referred to > >> > as exhausting, but it > >> > makes sense. Even if you turn your stereo > down, > >> > there might be something to > >> > be said of giving the human pyche a break with > >> > natural dynamics and more > >> > space. > >> > > >> > >Tension....release....tension...release....louder....softer, > >> > etc, > >> > etc. > >> > > >> > This article/topic, could I suppose turn into > the > >> > discussion of the > >> > pschological results/benefits of adding more > space > >> > to one's compositions > >> > (not making the composition "better" or > "worse," > >> > mind you). Can adding more > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? 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