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-- D. wrote: " the drummer doesn't like clicks or flashing lights & in any case, we all think that for the music to be able to "breathe", we don't want quartz-locked BPM. Having been a live and studio drummer professionally for 30 years I feel compelled to chime in here. All music, including quartz-locked BPM loops or sequenced music has the ability to 'breathe". It just takes a more sophisticated drummer (and other musicians) to make it appear to breathe. In the case of playing to quantized sequences or static loops, it is efficacious to practice playing anywhere from way behind the beat (in a musical fashion that does not 'lose' the connection to the quantized part) to way, way up on top of the beat. Early on in studio playing (and before the advent of computerized recording that allows people to edit so effortlessly with digital crossfading like anyone can do on a home computer these days) we learned that we could make recordings much faster (and hence, way less costly) by using click tracks that kept the musicians more honest in terms of overall tempo (there's breathing in this case and there's just plain old shitty timekeeping, if you know what I mean). At the same time, rigidity is the first inherent problem of trying to learn how to play to clicks. We were forced , back in the day (early 80's when I did the bulk of my professional studio work) to try and figure out how to make the music feel organic even if we were playing to a quantized click track. During that process, we learned that if we were to get off of the click that we needed to drift back to it instead of trying to jump immediately to the proper tempo (in the former, you never hear the mistake in the recording; in the latter, you hear the 'bump' in the time immediately). Learning how to do this...............to play at a different place in the beat, that still is musical then helped prepare us when we encountered people from other cultures who 'felt' the beat differently (Southern soul musicians who play very, very laid back and behind the beat, West coast funkateers who are way up on top of things, Brazilians who have great time but don't play to a 16th note evenly spaced grid in their playing, etc.) I have to say when I hear of a drummer who says, "I hate click tracks or blinking lights or playing to static loops" I think, here is a drummer whose overall understanding of the concept of keeping time is not real sophisticated. The drummer, probably more than anyone, is capable of imparting great difference in the way a piece of music if felt, vis a viz time. The drummer can make really locked quantized parts feel very organic and can make completely unsynchronized musicians feel very rigid and static depending on how he or she plays. Time is a deep world. It's a fascinating world. Like all things, it's really good for one's musicianship to stay flexible when it comes to playing in any musical setting. A mentor of mine (a guitarist who had backed Aretha Franklin for several years) once said, "Every song can groove at any tempo...........it's your job to figure out how to make a song groove" (and breathe) if it is played at an uncomfortable tempo or if it is locked to a quartz-locked BPM. If someone calls 'Sunshine of your Love" at a ludicrously slow tempo, you can make it groove like hell if you play way behind the beat and in a very heavy manner. The same is true if it is called too fast. This musician taught me that any audience can hear if you change tempo in a song (especially if you are compensating at the start of a song because it 'doesn't feel right.' He said, "The audience never knows if you are doing a rendition of a tune or trying to play it authentically..........they only know if your time is strong or not. He would drill our band at the time by purposefully call different (and unconventional) tempos for different tunes in our repertoire...............if we complained that such a song was at the wrong speed, he would yell at us, "Find the groove, find the groove". It was one of the best disciplines I ever learned as a professional touring and studio drummer and, to this day, it feels unprofessional when someone tries to get me to speed up or slow down because a song feels wrong................lol, it's just not always appropriate for me to yell, "Find the groove, find the groove you guys!!!!" Rick Walker ps Earlier on this list, I believe that I posted a series of exercises that I have been using with great success with beginning beginner drummers and bassists so that they can learn how to 'breathe' and play with different relaxed feels to a click track. Check it out if you feel like you don't know how to do this yourself. It only takes a couple of hours of work to learn how to do this and your whole musical world will change if you learn the concept. There's only one little warning.......once you learn how to play effortlessly and with a natural 'breathing quality' to a click track you will begin to notice how many musicians out there don't know how to do it and are xenophobic when it comes to the concept. If you can't find the exercises, I'll repost them. Just let me know if you are interested