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Too many musical loop layers becomes mush (IMO). But sometimes you actually want mush. I use two unsynced EDPs and "stereoize" the output of each with processing. Each is set up for only 3 loops. I very rarely (hardly ever) use all 6 loops available to me between the two EDPs. Most often, I use 2 on one Plex and only one on the other (unsynced) Plex. What Rick said is very astute. It's hard to develop a complex song/composition quickly adding just one element at a time and still manage the levels and mix of all. It takes time. Mir-O's performance at Y2K6 was awe inspiring. But many audience members are impatient and will not wait for the music to develop - or (simply put) refuse to enjoy the process of it developing for what it is. That's one reason that (for a time) a few years back I occasionally employed a phrase sampler with parts (also of my own creation, of course) already canned and ready to go at a well-timed push of a button. I don't use it any more - my interests are elsewhere (I'm trying to do simpler music these days). But I do find the feedback knobs on the EDPs most handy for getting rid of "mush" when it arises unwanted. Cheers, tEd ® KiLLiAn www.tedkillian.com http://www.myspace.com/tedkillianguitar http://www.myspace.com/tedkillian Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum? playListId=6378076 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm And: "Mojo at the Dojo" CD at: http://cdbaby.com/cd/hartungkillian And: "Experimentus" CD at: http://cdbaby.com/cd/krispen4 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi? step=view_profile&id=121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes