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No Jim I'm not that Jeff, You did mean the Electro Harmonix 2880 demo right. Oh and don't forget the optional(read necessary) footswitch. The demo doesn't go into using it in a non quantized delay looper mode but it also is great for that.the other Jeff, lolSent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:59 AMSubject: Re: Jamman v Boss/self-promotion/new workJeff thanks again for the info on this, took a look at MH demo and am impressed. I found a couple on eBay one that appears to be some sort of 'factory second' deal but the comments are very mixed. anyhow it does look great, much better than the JM and another $100 for what it will do which is a lot. I'm trying to connect your name did you perform after us [chinapainting] at Y2k last year, Saturday evening? There was a Jeff but I may have you mixed up. Regardless thx re the info.jimOn Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeff thanks that's kind of what I was hoping or hoping not to hear as I was leaning towards the JM. Having to save before recording the next pass would yes be a drag in how I'm hoping to work, but hence maybe why they give you so much storage the idea of having a lot of pre recorded stuff. Maybe this is a given I should have surmized but appreciate you point out.The 2880 looks amazing a tad rich for my blood right now though 'penny wise pound foolish...' will ponder.thanks to all for the input on this questjimOn Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Jeff Duke <echohead@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I think that I could use the Jamman if only you didn't have to stop it and save before recording the next loop.This makes it difficult to improvise. The Jammer seems to be set up for pre making songs or phrases to play along with. Lack of feedback is another major stopper for me.I love my EH 2880, although you can only do one long (up to 30 min stereo) loop per 1 gig card. Feedback, reverse, half speed and 4 tracks make it very fun to use. Combined with a dd 20 and a dl4 is even better,heh.peace----- Original Message -----From: Jim GoodinSent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 2:32 PMSubject: Re: Jamman v Boss/self-promotion/new workDennis thanks for the details, this is helpful. I have thought several times about the dd20 initially when I got the Digitech delay I have but at the time 100 was easier to come up with than 200 so did the Digitech. The Jamman is calling me a bit for the option of saving work though realize I could analog out of any of the Boss units and bounce it to computer or whatever to capture.Look fwd to meeting you and sharing the stage in Boston...JimOn Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim,
The DD-20 is a stereo pedal ... I use two of them, sometimes in
sequence, sometimes in parallel. I can also vouch for their
sturdiness, as mine are in constant use (as you will see next month,
when you and Daryl visit Boston).
As for layering, the 23-second delay allows for that rather nicely
(though one could ALWAYS ask for more) and there is also the
Sound-On-Sound aspect as well. Setting the DD-20 to 100% feedback and
100% level gives you a 23-second loop that you can layer away ...
downside is that there is no undo. If you set it up right, you can
kick it over to do reverse with what you've recorded. (The real fun
starts with two of them set at different loop lengths, but that's a
tale for another day ... )
I actually owned a Jamman and took it back to buy my first DD-20 ...
the only pluses I saw to the Jamman was the outrageous storage
capacity ... 6 hours is a long time, even for me. For some reason, I
just can't get into the model that the RC-20, RC-50 and Jammamn use
... the DD-20's have done what I needed them to do for the most part.
Best,
Dennis
On 7/9/08, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Rainer/Saajak thanks so much. I really didn't provide enough info so I can
> see the encouragement for the GigaDelay pedal which I've thought about. My
> attraction to the Jamman is to broaden my looping technique/interest plus in
> a sense have a portable recorder to capture things when I either need it for
> live or don't want to pull out some other equip such as for home sessions
> hence the Jamman's attraction for that plus for looping the storage though
> not imperative is attractive. What I was more hoping to know was any
> negatives people had run into or technical glitches "design" type things.
> The only limitation on both pedals I see is that it seems to be mono out
> which in an instrument input situation I can understand though a second out
> akin to the Digitech X series Delay pedal I've been using though not true
> stereo I don't think still is nice in that it doubles the feed (guess
> doubles the noise as well) but gives the parallel out. I may be mistaken
> but don't think I've seen that on the J or B. I had thought about the MMwH
> but the JM storage is attractive on several levels as said.
>
> The Boss interest is about some less investment as well as reputation and
> possibly durability though I think that Digitech is reasonable in their
> ruggedness. That said I'm not overly abusive to equipment. I always get a
> rise out of the user reviews on MusiciansFriend who are blasting various
> pedals for not holding up to their "stomps"!
>
> I realize too my music examples had very little to do with looping that you
> might sense the interest in the JM or Boss and possibly I should have sent
> those sep as OT but still they were stream of conscious improv's so though
> pertinent to this community.
>
> I've come from a non-looping or very little efx manipulation/enhancement
> world in my main experience except for the dabling that I've done in the
> last two years largely from the collaboration with Daryl in Chinapainting
> though the interest in the enhancing goes way back. I am very interested in
> utilizing more technology and looping to a degree in my work both solo and
> with Daryl though in CP I don't want to get in the way of his tape loops.
> I'm very interested in layer creation as opposed to just improvising on a
> sequence. I have dabbled with Mobius as many of you know but though clearly
> many of you are quite successful with live laptops my jury is still out on
> them in a live setting though I've come close to using Mobius live. Too I
> don't have any external controller for Mobius just using mouse/keys
> presently.
>
> Anyhow I should have clarified better and sorry for that, I do appreciate
> all the input and any future thoughts.
>
> Best
>
> Jim
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http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
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