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Great research, Dennis! Good to know that it is possible to set up iTunes plus NiceCast on one box. I'm more interested in a live concert set-up though. Somehow I also like the Sonique plug-ins better than iTunes visualiser, so I think I'll go with a Windows laptop running the Audio Visualisation Screen Saver and an extra audio stream cable to pop into its mic input. I did a test run on that here and it works fine. Per On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote: > > Okay, final data point for this topic from me: > > On my G5, I fired up Nicecast v. 1.8.6 (I do run a newer version on the >G4 server) and set it to use the "Built-In Server" ... also checked the >use "Automatic Address" which then used my "external" IP address (this >machine has a fixed IP address, no DHCP). Fired up iTunes v 8.0.1 (12) >and told it to open a URL (the IP address of my Nicecast server) and told >it to use the "WhiteCap" visualizer. > > In Nicecast I selected "Audio Device" for the source, in this case the >USB Audio CODEC from a Behringer XENYX1204 mixer, whihc I was feeding >with a guitar loop from a Boss DD-20 Gigadelay ... flipped back over to >iTunes and hit "play" ... lo, there was sound. Then I hit "Command/Apple >+ T" and the visualizer kicked in ... > > So there you go ... you can do it on one machine with live input ... do >I need to do a video capture? > > Best to all and looking forward to seeing some music videos! > > Dennis > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Although this doesn't use audio as a trigger for visualization, the >Electric Sheep project is really very cool. >> >> >> >> http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=about >> >> >> >> you can see a short documentary about it here >http://blip.tv/file/1233576 >> >> >> >> Tony >> >> >> >> From: SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by >audio >> >> >> >> Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to >the door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is >what the WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run >the app on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it. The >Shoutcast 'server' of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and >presented itself as an active stream. Wasn't there a way to take ports >like //linein as input as well? I haven't fiddled with it in a while. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Dennis Moser >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by >audio >> >> >> >> Per, >> >> *GRIN ... thanks! >> >> "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, >i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and point >it to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a >possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply >because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine >to run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the >background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it >works. Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on >separate machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that >makes sense to you! >> >> Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet >cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an >ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe >it, it would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP >address, rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of >127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was >running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the >same subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP >addresses such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each other that >way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to >my production machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I >use the subneted wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 >more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need (read=afford the >computers!) to use them. >> >> To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of >tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work >better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but >the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by >describing what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo >site that Todd set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ... >> >> Later! >> >> Dennis >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> >wrote: >> > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: >> > >> > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis >whenever >> > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, >actually >> > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, >but for >> > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the >most >> > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. >> > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream >that >> > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be >configured to >> > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some >> > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to >have an >> > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. >> >> Dennis, >> >> That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable >> information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast >> server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a >> PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? >> >> But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the >> same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to >> connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same >> machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a >> minute...) >> >> I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is >> VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze >> mode during certain algorithms. >> >> Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and >> buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton >> Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins >> that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic >> Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find >> that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and >> turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is >> http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html >> and the USD 25 license is picked up at >> http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562. >> >> -- >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.myspace.com/perboysen >> www.stockholm-athens.com >> >> >> -- >> http://myspace.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: >11/1/2008 9:36 AM > > > -- > http://myspace.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com