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that's probably the safest route. Or conversely, some people say that you can tell when music isn't experimental, but saying something is poses more problems. Lot's of fuzzy boundaries, subjective and relative criteria at stake. Definitions like this ought to be set by what assembles naturally as the world's community of experimental music. Sort of like in science. Things work themselves out over time based on dissent and assent, discussion, testing, etc. The experimental music community is out they have a prominent presence with festivals, website, mags, etc...so to some extent they have already provided definition for us, but a working one, not a theoretical one. For me, the term provided enough confusion and ambiguity that I removed it from my festival and changed the name to the Boise Creative and Improvised Music Festival. Still uses problematic terms, but easier for me to address. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: What's experimental? > What's Experimental [music]? > > I can't explain it. But I know it when I hear it.