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You could always use the replace function on your EDP to replace the defining tones (single tone or otherwise), if say, you were playing a broken chord or some other voicing/arpeggiation. It's always the fun part of looping for me. Keeping it tonally interesting.. Merry Christmas, Happy holidays etc.. Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" <highhorse@mhorse.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: here and now / evolving loops > Lessee...yeah, the Chinapainting track "Isle of Exile" has an example of > the switch from minor to relative major. It's in a pretty well-defined > minor for the first 5 minutes. Then Jim started doing some looped slides > that were a bit more major in feel, so I started slowly switching to the > relative major, in high extensions, fading out the minor bass. By 7:30 >or > so, the major key is pretty much established, and we ride that out to >the > end of the tune. > > Sorry, I don't have an mp3 handy, but I'll see if I can get one together > for you this weekend. Or, it's on eMusic and Rhapsody, as well as Amazon > and iTunes - search for "Night Blooming Cereus" which is the album >title. > It's the second track. > > Also, "Cut Away the Stone" from my "Rentintwain" CD is an example of >going > from atonality into a defined minor key, then switching to the relative > major and doing some other shifting all in the same key. It's long - 12 > minutes - and around seven minutes in, I start moving towards a tonal > chord, slowly fading out the atonal stuff. At 8:20, I hit the relative > major of that minor chord. At 9:00 or so, I start playing some other > chordal fragments, implying other chords. You can stream that one here: > http://www.swanwelder.com/jukebox/cutawaythestone/index.html > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > >> Daryl, is there a specific instance of you doing this up someplace? I >> would love to hear it! >> >> Jeff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" <highhorse@mhorse.com> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:10 PM >> Subject: Re: Fwd: here and now / evolving loops >> >> >>> This is an interesting discussion. >>> >>> It's true, Fabio, many looping artists tend to stay fixed on a tonal >>> center. One simple trick I've found is to make a sudden or gradual >>> change to a different chord in the same key. The most obvious is to go >>> to the relative major or minor, so if it's been a heavy E minor groove, >>> I'll start feeding in G major triads. It can create some real drama, >>> while allowing an established loop to continue. It's not hard to switch >>> back and forth, especially if you replace the lowest part of your loops >>> (whatever serves as your "bass"). >>> >>> More dramatically, I'll lay groundwork for an actual key change by >>> inserting bits of very nontonal, undefined stuff, slowly obliterating >>> the previous key center. When the previous key has disappeared in a >>> nontonal mess, I'll start a new one, replacing the nontonal stuff with >>> inside material. Coming from chaos to a defined key center can work >>> really nicely. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1864 - >Release > Date: 12/25/2008 9:40 AM > >