Re: Digitech Jamman Delay Looper

[TR <tomrollison@yahoo.com>]

I'm assuming that time sync between the delay portion and the looper 
portion will very tight. After I wrote to you I poked around Harmony 
central and found some intersting stuff. Views on the reliability of the 
midi on the RC 50 are across the spectrum.Here's a link to one review 
wherein a guy descibes a very successful setup using the RC 50 as the midi 
brain for a whole band,sending clock out for everybody to sync to.
http://www.harmonycentral.com/reviews/242530
 If I had a more stable band situation and if everyone was intersted in 
syncing up like that I can see where some very cool arrangements could 
develop on the fly even. I'm wondering if a program like Ableton wouldn't 
be the ideal vehicle for doing this.Or just some seperate midi clock that 
everyone could sync to. Are you using your described setup in a band or 
solo? Is there a link where I can hear some of your music?
   I was actually interested in the AdrenaLinn,especially because of the 
sequencer aspect. Seems like with the tap delay on this unit you can 
create rhythmic sequences. Then I'm looking at how to tweak those in play 
back. Maybe two effects loops,one pre- one post. I used to use a digital 
delay in front of my Vortex that I would have set up with a lot of 
feedback. It was pretty easy to find a sweet spot because it seemed like 
the Vortex naturally compressed the signal and kept it from going too 
wild. The beauty was in the lack of sync and the unpredictable nature of 
the bleeps and bloops the came bubbling out of the Vortex.That was a 
cheapo Korg unit which has since died. Maybe I can get something like that 
going twixt the Vortex and Jamman Delay. Well I just got home with the new 
Jamman so we'll see. 
--- On Thu, 6/3/10, G <gigs@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

> From: G <gigs@paradise.net.nz>
> Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman Delay Looper
> To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight.com
> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 1:35 PM
> Hi Tom
> I love to improvise and enjoy exploring different
> sounds.  
> I also use stereo effects adding more dimension.  
> 
> The first time I realised that I needed MIDI synced effects
> was when I
> was jamming with my SMMH looper.  Among other things I
> use an
> Adrenalinn3 multi-FX with time based modulation sequencer,
> nova delay,
> plus delays on the SMMH.  The delays were long and
> needed to be in time
> with each other, the modulations and loop for everything to
> work.
> 
> I did my utmost to get the loop length to match everything
> else, 
>  lay down a groove just under 30 seconds, started
> improvising over it
> overdubbing as I went along.  Initially it sounded
> great, but after a
> minute things began to drift out of time with the loop
> giving it a
> chorus effect, then slap back, then it all became obviously
> out of time
> and fell apart.  Extremely frustrating.
> 
> With good MIDI sync effects & looper this won't
> happen.
> 
> The other thing MIDI is useful for is using a midi
> controller like the
> FCB1010 foot pedal to change settings and programs. 
> At the moment I use
> it to control my Adrenalinn3, pretty essential in my view.
> 
> You could use a drum machine for master sync.  
> The Adrenalinn has a simple drum machine and can send midi
> sync signals,
> but it doesn't provide start and stop signals, or anything
> else for that
> matter which will be important with a looper.  There
> are a number of
> other devices that can be used to control midi timing.
> 
> My long term goal, assuming I find a good midi-sync looping
> device for
> my floorboard, is to get a Gordious Little Giant to go
> along with my
> FCB1010 midi controller which among many other features can
> act as midi
> sync master - and can send start, stop, and provide a midi
> timing
> signal.  I'd connect the controller to a 4 way midi
> break out box
> directly connected to Adrenalinn3, as well as whatever
> looper I end up
> with, and a couple of other effects pedals - most likely
> Eventide
> ModFactor and TimeFactor.
> 
> Cheers,
> -- G.
> 
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman Delay Looper
> From: TR <tomrollison@yahoo.com>
> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:26:04 -0700 (PDT)
> >Would you be using the midi to sync to a drum machine?
> I am looking to pick one
> >of these up and just trying to figure out what the cost
> /benefit ratio is. For
> >my style of playing,which is very improvisitorial, I am
> looking forward to trying
> >this. I'm sure I could dream up a scenario or two where
> midi could be used. But
> >I mostly want to record myself and others I'm playing
> with and introduce those
> >sounds back in on them selves. Sort of real time remix.
> That and precompose some
> >textures which would outline a compositional arc.
> Scarificing hard time control
> >wouldn't hurt too much for me because I want to keep
> that control in my hands. 
> >Or is there possibly more real time functionality that
> could be had via midi?
> >Just curious about this whole aspect of performing
> which I am really just
> >starting to get serious about using. This forum is
> probably the most intelligent
> >music discussion I have found, especially for
> electronic inspired music.
> >Thank you all.
> 
> >--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Teddy Kumpel <teddykumpel@mac.com>
> wrote:
> >From: Teddy Kumpel <teddykumpel@mac.com>
> >Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman Delay Looper
> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 5:53 AM
> >
> >>I agree.... was really hoping to replace my RC-50
> with that thing....
> >>boo Digitech
> >>
> >>Teddy
> >>--
> >>PS.
> >>--
> >>http://teddyjam.com
> >>new live recordings, always
> >>
> >>On Jun 2, 2010, at 9:35 PM, G wrote:
> >>Just found out about the latest Digitech JamMan
> delay looper/phrase
> >>pedal released this year, one of three:
> >>http://www.digitech.com/specialtypedals.php
> >>
> >>Fantastic: stereo input/output, true stereo delay,
> stomp pedal, takes up
> >>to 2GB memory cards offering hours of stereo
> looping per card, up to 99
> >>loops/phrases per card, a number of useful
> features, and affordable for
> >>what it is.  Brilliant.
> >>Hang on ... no MIDI?  No midi control, no midi
> sync, why?
> >>The frustration continues,
> >>-- G.
> 
>