Re: Digitech Jamman Delay Looper

[Teddy Kumpel <teddykumpel@mac.com>]

ya, the RC-50 sucks as a midi slave and is ok as a midi master
I say ok because it drifts sometimes

other than that the RC-50 is pretty cool....

BUT

it would be really cool to have some pitch operations like the new
jamman.

Maybe the LP2 would work but I don't think it's stereo... still  
waiting to find
out if it's possible to hook up 2 of those together.

Teddy
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On Jun 3, 2010, at 5:53 PM, TR wrote:

> I'm assuming that time sync between the delay portion and the looper  
> portion will very tight. After I wrote to you I poked around Harmony  
> central and found some intersting stuff. Views on the reliability of  
> the midi on the RC 50 are across the spectrum.Here's a link to one  
> review wherein a guy descibes a very successful setup using the RC  
> 50 as the midi brain for a whole band,sending clock out for  
> everybody to sync to.
> http://www.harmonycentral.com/reviews/242530
> If I had a more stable band situation and if everyone was intersted  
> in syncing up like that I can see where some very cool arrangements  
> could develop on the fly even. I'm wondering if a program like  
> Ableton wouldn't be the ideal vehicle for doing this.Or just some  
> seperate midi clock that everyone could sync to. Are you using your  
> described setup in a band or solo? Is there a link where I can hear  
> some of your music?
>   I was actually interested in the AdrenaLinn,especially because of  
> the sequencer aspect. Seems like with the tap delay on this unit you  
> can create rhythmic sequences. Then I'm looking at how to tweak  
> those in play back. Maybe two effects loops,one pre- one post. I  
> used to use a digital delay in front of my Vortex that I would have  
> set up with a lot of feedback. It was pretty easy to find a sweet  
> spot because it seemed like the Vortex naturally compressed the  
> signal and kept it from going too wild. The beauty was in the lack  
> of sync and the unpredictable nature of the bleeps and bloops the  
> came bubbling out of the Vortex.That was a cheapo Korg unit which  
> has since died. Maybe I can get something like that going twixt the  
> Vortex and Jamman Delay. Well I just got home with the new Jamman so  
> we'll see.
> --- On Thu, 6/3/10, G <gigs@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
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>> From: G <gigs@paradise.net.nz>
>> Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman Delay Looper
>> To: Loopers-Delight@Loopers-Delight.com
>> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 1:35 PM
>> Hi Tom
>> I love to improvise and enjoy exploring different
>> sounds.
>> I also use stereo effects adding more dimension.
>>
>> The first time I realised that I needed MIDI synced effects
>> was when I
>> was jamming with my SMMH looper.  Among other things I
>> use an
>> Adrenalinn3 multi-FX with time based modulation sequencer,
>> nova delay,
>> plus delays on the SMMH.  The delays were long and
>> needed to be in time
>> with each other, the modulations and loop for everything to
>> work.
>>
>> I did my utmost to get the loop length to match everything
>> else,
>> lay down a groove just under 30 seconds, started
>> improvising over it
>> overdubbing as I went along.  Initially it sounded
>> great, but after a
>> minute things began to drift out of time with the loop
>> giving it a
>> chorus effect, then slap back, then it all became obviously
>> out of time
>> and fell apart.  Extremely frustrating.
>>
>> With good MIDI sync effects & looper this won't
>> happen.
>>
>> The other thing MIDI is useful for is using a midi
>> controller like the
>> FCB1010 foot pedal to change settings and programs.
>> At the moment I use
>> it to control my Adrenalinn3, pretty essential in my view.
>>
>> You could use a drum machine for master sync.
>> The Adrenalinn has a simple drum machine and can send midi
>> sync signals,
>> but it doesn't provide start and stop signals, or anything
>> else for that
>> matter which will be important with a looper.  There
>> are a number of
>> other devices that can be used to control midi timing.
>>
>> My long term goal, assuming I find a good midi-sync looping
>> device for
>> my floorboard, is to get a Gordious Little Giant to go
>> along with my
>> FCB1010 midi controller which among many other features can
>> act as midi
>> sync master - and can send start, stop, and provide a midi
>> timing
>> signal.  I'd connect the controller to a 4 way midi
>> break out box
>> directly connected to Adrenalinn3, as well as whatever
>> looper I end up
>> with, and a couple of other effects pedals - most likely
>> Eventide
>> ModFactor and TimeFactor.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -- G.
>>
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman Delay Looper
>> From: TR <tomrollison@yahoo.com>
>> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:26:04 -0700 (PDT)
>>> Would you be using the midi to sync to a drum machine?
>> I am looking to pick one
>>> of these up and just trying to figure out what the cost
>> /benefit ratio is. For
>>> my style of playing,which is very improvisitorial, I am
>> looking forward to trying
>>> this. I'm sure I could dream up a scenario or two where
>> midi could be used. But
>>> I mostly want to record myself and others I'm playing
>> with and introduce those
>>> sounds back in on them selves. Sort of real time remix.
>> That and precompose some
>>> textures which would outline a compositional arc.
>> Scarificing hard time control
>>> wouldn't hurt too much for me because I want to keep
>> that control in my hands.
>>> Or is there possibly more real time functionality that
>> could be had via midi?
>>> Just curious about this whole aspect of performing
>> which I am really just
>>> starting to get serious about using. This forum is
>> probably the most intelligent
>>> music discussion I have found, especially for
>> electronic inspired music.
>>> Thank you all.
>>
>>> --- On Thu, 6/3/10, Teddy Kumpel <teddykumpel@mac.com>
>> wrote:
>>> From: Teddy Kumpel <teddykumpel@mac.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman Delay Looper
>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 5:53 AM
>>>
>>>> I agree.... was really hoping to replace my RC-50
>> with that thing....
>>>> boo Digitech
>>>>
>>>> Teddy
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>>>> PS.
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>>>> http://teddyjam.com
>>>> new live recordings, always
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 2, 2010, at 9:35 PM, G wrote:
>>>> Just found out about the latest Digitech JamMan
>> delay looper/phrase
>>>> pedal released this year, one of three:
>>>> http://www.digitech.com/specialtypedals.php
>>>>
>>>> Fantastic: stereo input/output, true stereo delay,
>> stomp pedal, takes up
>>>> to 2GB memory cards offering hours of stereo
>> looping per card, up to 99
>>>> loops/phrases per card, a number of useful
>> features, and affordable for
>>>> what it is.  Brilliant.
>>>> Hang on ... no MIDI?  No midi control, no midi
>> sync, why?
>>>> The frustration continues,
>>>> -- G.
>>
>>
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