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interesting thread people, So with all the tools to document music how important do you consider being able to read and write it the traditional way nowdays? I personally think it is wonderful to be able to step into a time tunnel from the past and perform such pieces and analyze what this composers where doing.I also wish i could read at first sight with such an amazing accuracy. then again other cultures have taken the time to preserve the music just as well without the need to write it,some come to mind,gamelan,flamenco,indian,african etc. some cultures i believe even forbid writting their music for jeopardizing its magic. I suppose what i dislike about the whole classical trained mentality is the conservative hierarchy and disqualification of other types of music genres. It reminds me of a quotation from Mr. Andres Segovia: "That gentleman, Paco de Lucía, people think that just because he's got the facility to do some of those simple things he does, that he's a genius... any one of the young fellows coming up in the guitar competitions I attend has a fabulous technique, but all that 'pluck, pluck, pluck', that's not technique". Simple things? pluck, pluck', that's not technique" how arrogant!! I recently got hired at a music school to teach kids guitar,the school has been struggling to get kids to stay in the guitar department because of their lack of interest,(and i blame that on the teachers)so they hired me to teach popular styles in acoustic and electric guitar. But what i found amazing is that they only offered me to teach only as an independent teacher and refuse to give me a contract on grounds that im not qualified because of the types of music i teach and lack of pedagogic diploma. Even more amazing is the fact that the teacher who quit before me had a diploma and all of his students did not know the differrence between major and minor chords and could not even play them after 3 years of attending there.I might not a diploma but my private sutdents can play that after a few weeks! i wonder what Eddie Van halen or Paco de Lucia would say if they asked them if they had a diploma before teaching electric or flamenco guitar! So i made a decision after a few weeks to be my own boss:-) cheers Luis On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Nadia Salom <nadia.salom@gmx.de> wrote: > I think it would be sad if music wasnt being "written" just because it >is > performative... and the word performative can still include >"composition" in > it's make up... improvisation is not a prerequisite for the performative > act... also the performative moment can be seen from a distant >viewpoint... > for example a particular time and culture.... so the use of language and > composition plays into the music... I am using the word performance >from a > linguistic sense so probably I am getting confusing...... > > ... maybe our minds are just not moving fast enough to compose and >perform > at the same time...not yet anyways... haha... > > but what i meant is that I always get sad when I think about a really >good > piece of music dying away from our awareness... but that thought is >based on > a mentality that songs and compositions are "results" of a long >process... > this mentality is coming from a consumer mentality... meaning eventually >the > songs are going to be out of date and eaten up or thrown away... but if >they > are seen as the process the songs always continue on... and the author is > more or less unimportant. > > if making music as well as listening to music is seen as a process... >like > peeling of skin... musician can rid themselves of the industry... does > anyone get this?? > > Am 15.02.11 14:59, schrieb Fabio_A: > > 2011/2/15 Nadia Salom <nadia.salom@gmx.de> >> >> I see making music and listening to music more like a way to develop a >> process... like the process of processing. so each song out there is >> happening in a performative moment in time which reflects that moment >and >> the present situation of the musician, therefore I dont see any good >and bad >> in music, i just see a social phenomena... that's why sometimes I am >> fascinating with music that is more mainstream... or kitsch... in the >end I >> dont there is such thing as kitsch... > > > After all thiat interesting discussion about maistream and downstream, > Nadia's post > made me think that various members on this list seem to have the same > approach as Nadia, where music is "a performative moment in time..." and > that leads me to think about the "live", improvisative, performing side >of > music which seems very common nowdays. > > Sure looping is a great tool in that department, being the "here and > now" the most perceivable effect of "looped music" (a "genre" that >doesn't > exist, IMO), so I can see why lot of people on this list care about that > side of music. > > The fact is that..... in almost in evey corner, I can see musicians > celebrating the improvisational and/or performative side of their music. > So, it sound to me like that aspect is becoming in some way "mainstream" >for > today's musicians and - even worse - sometimes it alludes to the unsayed > tought: "hey, I don't play written music: that's just so "old": I >play "new" > music, I'm exploring new fields, so I need to improvise". > > Which is fine for me, but is music just that and nothing else ? > Does music still live off of a performative environment ? > Is it still alive even when "written" music is performed ? > Does really Music need a performative act to work out well ? > Is the performative/improvvisational side of music getting more and more > "mainstraim" ? > > ...just toughts > > -fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > > > > >> >> I dont care much for what Adorno said about popular music... or the way >> "serious" music is seen in a heirarchy.... that is so nonsense to me. > > > Same for me, here ! > >> >> I liked reading this thread and seeing how the members of the listserver >> discuss this phenomena. If it is true that through the internet the word >> mainstream is losing more and more importance, then it must mean that >the >> process of making music nowadays is becoming more and more a >performative >> process....... >> >> >> Am 14.02.11 22:34, schrieb Matt Stevens: >> >> I don't care what they call it as long as they listen. >> Matt Stevens >> www.mattstevensguitar.com >> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com >> >> >> >> On 14 Feb 2011, at 19:42, mark francombe wrote: >> >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:13 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >> Buzap Buzap wrote: >> >> I took it to mean that it's all retro. >> >> Fair comment? >> >> God.. I didnt get that at ALL.. I just thought he meant its all crap! >> Wow, I cant agree that its ALL retro no no no!!! But of course the >> last 25 years sampling has by its nature resulted in a lot of >> appropriated music... just cool in my book... hardly representative of >> all music though! >> Im sorry I just dont see that the genres have become erased... Im >> terribly afraid that its just that we dont know what they are anymore! >> It might be true that the kids are less genre specific, as in >> sub-cultures.. not many NEW sub cultures around as far as I can see... >> here the kids is either Rich Kids or Hip Hop... ok and the occasional >> emo kid (there always been one). >> As for a genre-less world being a better world.. well .. maybe, in a >> philosophical, religious and political sense... but when I get a night >> out to go and see a band, I sure as HELL do NOT want to waste my >> evening by accidentally going to a Country and Western Ho Down... >> If its Metal... I want them to put METAL in a big metallic font, >> preferably with barbed wire on it... >> If its 4 hours of Gregorian chanting, I want the poster to say 4 hours >> of Gregorian chanting, so I can think about it. >> If I see a poster which says BILLS GOOD MUSIC... 5$ entry Girls >> Free... I might walk past... If it says Bill Walkers Live Looping, >> Glitchy, ambient, lapsteel.. 55$ Smart Dress Only... Im gonna run, get >> me best togs on and sprint downtown... I might even comb my hair >> Genres help... doesnt mean you have to stick to one... >> M >> -- >> mark francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://www.nirmala07.net > > > -- > > http://www.nirmala07.net