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Yes you're right, Phil - "Cut Time" is the most descriptive. How about simply calling the function what it is: Cut Time, but typing "cuT" in menus etc? As a sort of logic abbreviation. Speaking about functionality I think real cut-n-paste is better. In your particular application (looking for "the opposite of EDPs Insert/Stutter") one could just use the Cut without ever Pasting it in somewhere. ... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Philip Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: > Per you are right that the word cut has an invisible sibling called > paste, > and we’ve not at all been talking about Pasting anything we’ve cut yet > (though wouldn’t that be interesting). > > In Ableton we do have Cut, which (predictably) cuts content; but we also > have Cut Time, which does exactly what we are talking about here: > eliminates > a section of time and joins the remaining bits together. > > So I very much disagree about the use of Erase for such a feature - > Erase, > to continue the tape metaphor, removes content but not time or media. > > We erase all the time already by turning feedback to zero while a loop is > running right? > > Trim has connotations from the video world - shortening a clip by > defining > new start and stop points within the existing clip. > > Truncate has the connotation of leaving off the ending of a sentence… > this > may be more akin to those Mobius operations that cut content and time > from > the switch point to end of loop? > > - - - > > So yes cut and paste would be fun, but what we're looking for is simply > the > opposite of Stutter or the opposite of Insert, so should be named > accordingly - probably best are Unsert, Cut, or Remove in my opinion. > While > Stutter and Insert make the loop longer, this feature would, by the same > mechanism and rules, make the loop shorter - it’s a bookend symmetry :) > > > > - - - - - > > Phil :) > > > > > > > > On Nov 2, 2013, at 4:47 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: > > On most DAWs this process is called "cut". Sometimes "global cut", in > case the command is to affect several tracks. In a DAW the CUT process > brings the snippet into the buffer so you can paste in somewhere else > on the music's time line and this is different from live looping. In > live looping we just want to annihilate a slice, get rid of it for > ever, and splice together the two cuts seamlessly. > > CUT is not fully descriptive, but it is short and does not interfere > with other existing processes in live looping. Has anyone suggested > ERASE? The word itself implies that it's not about deleting the whole > shebang, so therefore I think ERASE is just as good as CUT. Maybe > ERASE is a snip better, since it can't fool anyone into erroneously > think that it is about the usual cut-and-paste that we use every day > with computers (ctr/cmd X). > > We do cut out a snippet in live looping but only to annihilate that > slice and not to paste it in somewhere. > > If comparing with traditional DAW sampling vocabulary (that draws on > the tape cutting and splicing at IRCAM by the late fifties and on) we > also have TRIM and TRUNCATE that a.f.a.i.k. mean the same, in essence > the exact opposite to the process we're talking about in this thread. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > But HEY - here's an idea for yet another very useful live looping > process! Maybe some nifty programmer can create a live looping > function for CUT-AND-PASTE that works like a linked pair of CUT and > INSERT? Scramble in LP1 does that by random and in Mobius we have > scripting support for random and musically systematic cut-n-insert. > Many times when playing I have been missing the option to kick a pedal > to cut out a sub cycle (and have the gap spliced together) and then > kick another pedal (or the same if using a dual command button switch) > to have the loop cut, widened and the snipped pasted in right there. > Strange that it doesn't exist in any existing looper yet, isn't it? I > do it a lot when editing recordings but it would be so fun to cut and > paste in real-time on looping audio. > > > > . > ... > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 10:21 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> > wrote: > > > > Matthias Grob wrote: > > > so what should Unsert do then? > :-) > > > I thought > > Unsert = opposite of Insert > > but only if > > Undo = opposite of Do > > maybe better to say > > "Outsert" for taking out a a piece of time from the loop. > > > what about > > Indo > > Undont > > andy > > > > >