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Per yes sounds like we are in agreement - though i fear the complexity of writing Paste might block the possibility of attaining cuT ;) That said, Andy (or Undy) has coined some prizewinning new words, to go with Matthias’ brilliant “Unsert.” “Outsert” and “Undont” thrill me in unspeakable ways. I don’t even care what they might mean :) Phil :) On Nov 2, 2013, at 5:58 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes you're right, Phil - "Cut Time" is the most descriptive. How about > simply calling the function what it is: Cut Time, but typing "cuT" in > menus etc? As a sort of logic abbreviation. > > Speaking about functionality I think real cut-n-paste is better. In > your particular application (looking for "the opposite of EDPs > Insert/Stutter") one could just use the Cut without ever Pasting it in > somewhere. > ... > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Philip Clevenger > <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: >> Per you are right that the word cut has an invisible sibling called >> paste, >> and we’ve not at all been talking about Pasting anything we’ve cut yet >> (though wouldn’t that be interesting). >> >> In Ableton we do have Cut, which (predictably) cuts content; but we also >> have Cut Time, which does exactly what we are talking about here: >> eliminates >> a section of time and joins the remaining bits together. >> >> So I very much disagree about the use of Erase for such a feature - >> Erase, >> to continue the tape metaphor, removes content but not time or media. >> >> We erase all the time already by turning feedback to zero while a loop >> is >> running right? >> >> Trim has connotations from the video world - shortening a clip by >> defining >> new start and stop points within the existing clip. >> >> Truncate has the connotation of leaving off the ending of a sentence… >> this >> may be more akin to those Mobius operations that cut content and time >> from >> the switch point to end of loop? >> >> - - - >> >> So yes cut and paste would be fun, but what we're looking for is simply >> the >> opposite of Stutter or the opposite of Insert, so should be named >> accordingly - probably best are Unsert, Cut, or Remove in my opinion. >> While >> Stutter and Insert make the loop longer, this feature would, by the same >> mechanism and rules, make the loop shorter - it’s a bookend symmetry :) >> >> >> >> - - - - - >> >> Phil :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 2, 2013, at 4:47 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On most DAWs this process is called "cut". Sometimes "global cut", in >> case the command is to affect several tracks. In a DAW the CUT process >> brings the snippet into the buffer so you can paste in somewhere else >> on the music's time line and this is different from live looping. In >> live looping we just want to annihilate a slice, get rid of it for >> ever, and splice together the two cuts seamlessly. >> >> CUT is not fully descriptive, but it is short and does not interfere >> with other existing processes in live looping. Has anyone suggested >> ERASE? The word itself implies that it's not about deleting the whole >> shebang, so therefore I think ERASE is just as good as CUT. Maybe >> ERASE is a snip better, since it can't fool anyone into erroneously >> think that it is about the usual cut-and-paste that we use every day >> with computers (ctr/cmd X). >> >> We do cut out a snippet in live looping but only to annihilate that >> slice and not to paste it in somewhere. >> >> If comparing with traditional DAW sampling vocabulary (that draws on >> the tape cutting and splicing at IRCAM by the late fifties and on) we >> also have TRIM and TRUNCATE that a.f.a.i.k. mean the same, in essence >> the exact opposite to the process we're talking about in this thread. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> But HEY - here's an idea for yet another very useful live looping >> process! Maybe some nifty programmer can create a live looping >> function for CUT-AND-PASTE that works like a linked pair of CUT and >> INSERT? Scramble in LP1 does that by random and in Mobius we have >> scripting support for random and musically systematic cut-n-insert. >> Many times when playing I have been missing the option to kick a pedal >> to cut out a sub cycle (and have the gap spliced together) and then >> kick another pedal (or the same if using a dual command button switch) >> to have the loop cut, widened and the snipped pasted in right there. >> Strange that it doesn't exist in any existing looper yet, isn't it? I >> do it a lot when editing recordings but it would be so fun to cut and >> paste in real-time on looping audio. >> >> >> >> . >> ... >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 10:21 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Matthias Grob wrote: >> >> >> so what should Unsert do then? >> :-) >> >> >> I thought >> >> Unsert = opposite of Insert >> >> but only if >> >> Undo = opposite of Do >> >> maybe better to say >> >> "Outsert" for taking out a a piece of time from the loop. >> >> >> what about >> >> Indo >> >> Undont >> >> andy >> >> >> >> >> >