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On 2.Nov2013, at 10:40 AM, Philip Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: > Per yes sounds like we are in agreement - though i fear the complexity > of writing Paste might block the possibility of attaining cuT ;) hm… I would not mind to create Cut without Paste for a start. and once I am at it, probably its not too complicated to create both but: the Echoloop is meant to stay where the EDP was and for the Evoloop plugin I need new graphics and such, so its not so soon we get any new features out :-( > > That said, Andy (or Undy) has coined some prizewinning new words, to go > with Matthias’ brilliant “Unsert.” > > “Outsert” and “Undont” thrill me in unspeakable ways. I don’t even care > what they might mean :) hahaha, thats how I feel! why not create functions from names? > > Phil :) > > > On Nov 2, 2013, at 5:58 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yes you're right, Phil - "Cut Time" is the most descriptive. How about >> simply calling the function what it is: Cut Time, but typing "cuT" in >> menus etc? As a sort of logic abbreviation. >> >> Speaking about functionality I think real cut-n-paste is better. In >> your particular application (looking for "the opposite of EDPs >> Insert/Stutter") one could just use the Cut without ever Pasting it in >> somewhere. >> ... >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Philip Clevenger >> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Per you are right that the word cut has an invisible sibling called >>> paste, >>> and we’ve not at all been talking about Pasting anything we’ve cut yet >>> (though wouldn’t that be interesting). >>> >>> In Ableton we do have Cut, which (predictably) cuts content; but we >>> also >>> have Cut Time, which does exactly what we are talking about here: >>> eliminates >>> a section of time and joins the remaining bits together. >>> >>> So I very much disagree about the use of Erase for such a feature - >>> Erase, >>> to continue the tape metaphor, removes content but not time or media. >>> >>> We erase all the time already by turning feedback to zero while a loop >>> is >>> running right? >>> >>> Trim has connotations from the video world - shortening a clip by >>> defining >>> new start and stop points within the existing clip. >>> >>> Truncate has the connotation of leaving off the ending of a sentence… >>> this >>> may be more akin to those Mobius operations that cut content and time >>> from >>> the switch point to end of loop? >>> >>> - - - >>> >>> So yes cut and paste would be fun, but what we're looking for is >>> simply the >>> opposite of Stutter or the opposite of Insert, so should be named >>> accordingly - probably best are Unsert, Cut, or Remove in my opinion. >>> While >>> Stutter and Insert make the loop longer, this feature would, by the >>> same >>> mechanism and rules, make the loop shorter - it’s a bookend symmetry >>> :) >>> >>> >>> >>> - - - - - >>> >>> Phil :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 2, 2013, at 4:47 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On most DAWs this process is called "cut". Sometimes "global cut", in >>> case the command is to affect several tracks. In a DAW the CUT process >>> brings the snippet into the buffer so you can paste in somewhere else >>> on the music's time line and this is different from live looping. In >>> live looping we just want to annihilate a slice, get rid of it for >>> ever, and splice together the two cuts seamlessly. >>> >>> CUT is not fully descriptive, but it is short and does not interfere >>> with other existing processes in live looping. Has anyone suggested >>> ERASE? The word itself implies that it's not about deleting the whole >>> shebang, so therefore I think ERASE is just as good as CUT. Maybe >>> ERASE is a snip better, since it can't fool anyone into erroneously >>> think that it is about the usual cut-and-paste that we use every day >>> with computers (ctr/cmd X). >>> >>> We do cut out a snippet in live looping but only to annihilate that >>> slice and not to paste it in somewhere. >>> >>> If comparing with traditional DAW sampling vocabulary (that draws on >>> the tape cutting and splicing at IRCAM by the late fifties and on) we >>> also have TRIM and TRUNCATE that a.f.a.i.k. mean the same, in essence >>> the exact opposite to the process we're talking about in this thread. >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> But HEY - here's an idea for yet another very useful live looping >>> process! Maybe some nifty programmer can create a live looping >>> function for CUT-AND-PASTE that works like a linked pair of CUT and >>> INSERT? Scramble in LP1 does that by random and in Mobius we have >>> scripting support for random and musically systematic cut-n-insert. >>> Many times when playing I have been missing the option to kick a pedal >>> to cut out a sub cycle (and have the gap spliced together) and then >>> kick another pedal (or the same if using a dual command button switch) >>> to have the loop cut, widened and the snipped pasted in right there. >>> Strange that it doesn't exist in any existing looper yet, isn't it? I >>> do it a lot when editing recordings but it would be so fun to cut and >>> paste in real-time on looping audio. >>> >>> >>> >>> . >>> ... >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 10:21 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Matthias Grob wrote: >>> >>> >>> so what should Unsert do then? >>> :-) >>> >>> >>> I thought >>> >>> Unsert = opposite of Insert >>> >>> but only if >>> >>> Undo = opposite of Do >>> >>> maybe better to say >>> >>> "Outsert" for taking out a a piece of time from the loop. >>> >>> >>> what about >>> >>> Indo >>> >>> Undont >>> >>> andy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >