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Being a new-comer to the world of electronic music, I don't profess to be an expert on mainstream or independent labels, this is just my un-educated two cents! I've been reading all messages on this "All major record companies are leeches" debate since it first started with great interest, and the latest case put forward by (tdbajus) about marketing using the internet is a nice idea, but in reality will never really be effective. How are people going to find your site? With a search engine, you've got to know what you're looking for before you can find a particular site, and with so many commercial labels being on the 'net, and so many sites trying to explain what Trance, Ambient, Trip Hop etc means, the chances of your site being hit are pretty slim (Please note, this is only my opinion, argue about it as much as you like!). I have had an idea though how the mainstream and internet ideas could combine.... Take a list such as this one - there are obviously a lot of quality musicians on it. If everyone was to submit one song for a compilation CD (Kim would obviously be in charge of quality control), and everyone who makes it onto the CD donates his/her share towards the duplication costs, a bit of money towards on-line marketing, and a bit of money towards getting some quality flyers/posters printed (I'm sure there are many independent record stores who would be happy to put a flyer up somewhere in the store), then the chances of the CD getting heard of, listened to etc. are surely greatly increased? If you were to stream some exerts from the CD using RealAudio on the Web Site, (the domain name having been advertised on the flyer of course), then you will probably be getting your CD as well heard of as any other commercial one. While travelling round the independents with flyers, you could also ask whether the store would like any CDs to go with them, and if the tunes were good enough, the retailer would probably play the CD in the store too. I think this idea could work, if given the time and effort, but I'm sure many of you will be thinking that I spend most of my time in smoke infested rooms with large groups of friends (a claim I will neither confirm or deny!), and I generally don't know what I'm talking about. Any replies would be appreciated, but try not to bruise my ego too much! Laterz! Steve Lauder