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Didn't mean to be vague, it's the Jake by Rivera that i was thinking of--tubes all the way. Actually I was wondering if I could switch the Pod in and out of the Rivera somehow, so I could get the Rivera sounds, then run the pod sounds through it as well. At present I'm running the pod into a mixer into Alesis monitors, with loops drum machine etc added in. I guess it sounds like a guitar amp being played back through monitors, i.e., it's ok but doesn't have the juice i'd like. The Fender seems interesting because it includes tubes in the preamp, and they claim that it is a radical step forward from current modelers--actually they claim it isn't a modeler, which seems a semantic/marketing quibble---reconfiguring the components of the amp (tone stacks, preamps, power amp) according to your selection. It "does" over 30 amps (most of which are Fenders, which seems like overkill), and has many user presets. You can also reconfigure it any way you want, inventing new hybrids etc.