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Oh, I totally agree, don't get me wrong. I'd rather not work his way, but I made a choice, which was to give up some of the great functionality of the EDP, in return for Quad Loop recording (for under the $2400 you'd have to spend to buy 4 EDPs) and non volatile memory. I also got a few extras, like great time stretch/compress functions and the ability to shift loops against each other. Because I'm coming from the JamMan camp, I actually didn't loose anything. I never used the JamMan in delay mode (though I may now), because I needed the ability to change to a new loop, and go back. When I think of the use per dollar (I think I bought my JamMan new for $350 or so) of the JamMan, it's pretty incredible. Anyway, I've pretty much always "primed" my loops. I think I've learned to work this way and kind of "know" how long something needs to be. Maybe I'm wrong. If I had it the other way I might say, "how could I have done without this?" Until then, I'll be here in my apartment looping. Mark Sottilaro Kim Flint wrote: > At 10:55 PM 9/12/2001, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >I'm not sure why you don't just record a blank loop first, at your >desired > >tempo/length and then, open it back up and start playing. I do it with >big > >pad-like volume swells all the time, and it works fine. No bump. This >is the > >only way you could do it on the JamMan as well. The EDP will finish a > >loop and > >keep you in record, I understand, but I'm not sure if anything else >does. > > I believe this is accomplished in the jamman using the delay mode, right? > > The reason why pre-recording the loop first is unworkable for most people > is because you want the loop length defined by what you are playing and >not > the other way around. If you are improvising, you probably don't really > know how long the loop will before you start, and it can be rather > difficult to play into a predefined loop length and get the timing right. > You certainly don't want to sit there in front of your audience doing > nothing while you wait for this empty loop to record! and this is not >just > about ambient sound washes either, as Mark L mentioned. All types of > looping use this technique. > > Being able to overdub immediately after recording is a fundamental >looping > technique that has basically been in existence since the 60's. (or maybe > earlier, I'm sure somebody can correct me.) Since the early/mid 90's >we've > been freed of having to preset loop lengths, with the arrival of devices > like the Pardis Loop/Delay, the jamman, and the EDP where you could tap >the > loop lengths on the fly. Why should we be going backwards now? > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com