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>> > Quark has barely changed at all. > >uh, huh...same here. earn your paycheck doing this stuff, or give >it a break, please? But I am up on Quark. And I HAVE made a paycheck using Quark though I hate Quark mightily. There has been only ONE release of Quark in the last three years -- I'm not even sure if the 3.0 to 4.0/1 release *was* in the last three years. When I got the upgrade, I sat down and went through the manual in detail in a day. Like I said. The same stupid bugs are in it as before. Try doing something simple like laying out a book with pictures, and then moving a chapter. (Yes, Quark is a bad tool for designing books but it's what my partner has and I don't copyright violate programs). Anyway, this is way off topic. I ain't gonna convince you. I have a clear hierarchy of "difficulty" in my mind and it goes something like: design programming "rocket science" (which probably includes advanced math too?) brain surgery OF COURSE it's a full-time occupation being good at anything but the point is that being a brain surgeon takes decades of work and ongoing study to get to the point where you can even start to do anything, whereas there are plenty of good designers who started with no formal design education whatsoever. Just because something is difficult doesn't make it good! anyway. damn, I'm typing a lot these days -- perhaps because I'm home sick? /t http://whatGoes.com ................ extreme NY calendar. http://ax.to/fortune ......... a new fortune every minute. http://clikTrik.com .................. Many, many photos.