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I still own the old PCM80 for two particular features I like: -the sound of its resonators -the expanded delay time for looping; adding 2 SIMMS modules, I got 6 dly lines w/43 seconds each (not possible on Pcm81). what I hate in the PCM80: -those cheap PLASTIC 1/4" jack connectors -the fact that Lexicon cheated by putting out 4 versions of the same unit: original Pcm80 w/1/42 jacks plugs and S/Pdif 2nd version w/XLR plugs 3rd version called PCM81 w/AES 4th version called Pcm81 w/24 bit converters 3rd and 4th versions also incorporate some of the algorithms and presets that previously were available by purchasing cards only. I think Lexicon should have marketed the Pcm80 (and 90) better than they did, offering those algorithms and expansions already in the units, for a smaller fraction of money of what they charged for the cards. Greetings Italo The Dual FX sound card for the 80/81 has the "Aerosol" vortex patch. I think the MXP 1 & g2 models have a few more. I just used the pcm80 live for the first time last week. I did my first solo stick/loop gig & I so took out the EDP, Digitech Echo+ & the 80 & had a fun time... cheers LOU >From: Richard Zvonar <zvonar@zvonar.com> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: LEXICON pcm 81 gear lust >Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 09:31:03 -0800 > >At 12:17 PM -0500 1/6/03, dcoffin@taunton.com wrote: >> These are deep boxes, certainly, but I sold a PCM80 I'd lusted after >for >>years after about 2 months, because I was so underwhelmed by it as a >>mangler/complexifier. I did NOT discover it to be an FX playground....but >>then, I have kind of a modular predisposition when it comes to fx design, >>and the 80/81s are decidedly not multifx. Maybe I bailed too soon, and >>you'll have better luck/more persistence.... > >I was similarly unimpressed when I first fired up my PCM80, but one night >I >was showing it to a friend and after he left I kept playing with it for >hou ain quality of sound and consistency >of user interface that is elegant and "musical." Still, when it comes to >performance mangling I prefer Eventides and normally use three of them. >The >Lexicons sit in studio rack and never hit the road. >-- > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://RZCybernetics.com _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/